Will Smith Slaps Chris Rock At Oscars

[Shale101 99]

6 hours ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Male pattern baldness does not make a man feel less manly. It does affect their body dysmorphia, but it is not directly related to how they feel about their gender. There is a direct correlation between hair and identity to women that is not really present in men. 

My post was to point out how directly a woman's hair affect their identity and feminity. It's not the same thing as say a woman and a man not liking their nose and getting a rhinoplasty or being overweight and getting a gastric bypass. There is a genuine difference. IMO.

Unfortunately thanks to our society women don't view their hair loss as just cosmetic. They view it as a loss of their feminity. 

Most of this user's comments before this one said Jada's hair loss is purely cosmetic. That she is rich and beautiful and she should get over it. 

I'm not dismissing his struggle, he is dismissing Jada's struggle. 

 

That is YOUR interpretation of what hair loss is to some women.  Regardless it doesn't really matter.  I know many men who feel like they've lost their identity or former self when they lost their hair.  The may not necessarily feel like the've lost their identity as a MAN but they've lost who they are in general and feel hopeless.  Pain is pain regardless and you can't compare a whole group of people's pain vs another whole group of another.  Pain is individual and how it affects your daily life and functioning could totally different from one person to another.  We could argue all day what exactly femininity , masculinity, and beauty are.  The fact is....women for sure have more harsh beauty standards that men do not have.  With that said, male hair loss is much more socially acceptable to be made fun of.  In fact Regina Hall made a joke about someone's hairline the same night of this whole debacle.  

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

2 hours ago, Shale101 said:

That is YOUR interpretation of what hair loss is to some women.  Regardless it doesn't really matter.  I know many men who feel like they've lost their identity or former self when they lost their hair.  The may not necessarily feel like the've lost their identity as a MAN but they've lost who they are in general and feel hopeless.  Pain is pain regardless and you can't compare a whole group of people's pain vs another whole group of another.  Pain is individual and how it affects your daily life and functioning could totally different from one person to another.  We could argue all day what exactly femininity , masculinity, and beauty are.  The fact is....women for sure have more harsh beauty standards that men do not have.  With that said, male hair loss is much more socially acceptable to be made fun of.  In fact Regina Hall made a joke about someone's hairline the same night of this whole debacle.  

No girl. The first sentence you wrote is wrong. Look up alopecia in women and its affect their minds. I didn't write anything that was my interpretation. I looked it up before writing.here is an example from the national library of  Medicine. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8408792/

Methods: Subjects were newly referred patients with androgenetic alopecia (96 women and 60 men) and 56 female control patients. Subjects completed standardized questionnaires to assess their psychological reactions to their respective conditions and to measure body image, personality, and adjustment.

Results: Androgenetic alopecia clearly was a stressful experience for both sexes, but substantially more distressing for women. Relative to control subjects, women with androgenetic alopecia possessed a more negative body image and a pattern of less adaptive functioning. Specific correlates of the adversity of patients' hair-loss experiences were identified.

Conclusion: The results confirm the psychologically detrimental effects of androgenetic alopecia, especially on women. The implications for patient care are discussed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1261195/

Alopecia and women

Hair is essential to the identity of many women. Femininity, sexuality, attractiveness, and personality are symbolically linked to a woman's hair, more so than for a man.15 Hair loss can therefore seriously affect self esteem and body image. In a study of cancer patients with and without alopecia, those with alopecia had a poorer body image. Furthermore, women's self concept worsened after hair loss.16

Stressful life events have an important role in triggering some episodes of alopecia.17 Women with high stress levels are 11 times more likely to experience hair loss than those without.18

One study followed a group of women who experienced hair loss after chemotherapy and found four reactions common to most of the group: not prepared; shocked; embarrassed; and felt a loss of a sense of self.12 Hair loss is symbolic of major cultural beliefs and values, and for some women the loss of hair is reported as being psychologically more difficult than the loss of a breast through breast cancer.19

 

Have a nice day.

Please don't respond. I really don't care about this subject anymore. 

[Shale101 99]

1 hour ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

No girl. The first sentence you wrote is wrong. Look up alopecia in women and its affect their minds. I didn't write anything that was my interpretation. I looked it up before writing.here is an example from the national library of  Medicine. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8408792/

Methods: Subjects were newly referred patients with androgenetic alopecia (96 women and 60 men) and 56 female control patients. Subjects completed standardized questionnaires to assess their psychological reactions to their respective conditions and to measure body image, personality, and adjustment.

Results: Androgenetic alopecia clearly was a stressful experience for both sexes, but substantially more distressing for women. Relative to control subjects, women with androgenetic alopecia possessed a more negative body image and a pattern of less adaptive functioning. Specific correlates of the adversity of patients' hair-loss experiences were identified.

Conclusion: The results confirm the psychologically detrimental effects of androgenetic alopecia, especially on women. The implications for patient care are discussed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1261195/

Alopecia and women

Hair is essential to the identity of many women. Femininity, sexuality, attractiveness, and personality are symbolically linked to a woman's hair, more so than for a man.15 Hair loss can therefore seriously affect self esteem and body image. In a study of cancer patients with and without alopecia, those with alopecia had a poorer body image. Furthermore, women's self concept worsened after hair loss.16

Stressful life events have an important role in triggering some episodes of alopecia.17 Women with high stress levels are 11 times more likely to experience hair loss than those without.18

One study followed a group of women who experienced hair loss after chemotherapy and found four reactions common to most of the group: not prepared; shocked; embarrassed; and felt a loss of a sense of self.12 Hair loss is symbolic of major cultural beliefs and values, and for some women the loss of hair is reported as being psychologically more difficult than the loss of a breast through breast cancer.19

 

Have a nice day.

Please don't respond. I really don't care about this subject anymore. 

Girl now you are reaching...of course you don't want me to respond.  Can I ask you are you a woman? If so then YOU can tell me how it feels if YOU are a balding woman otherwise you are just interpreting their experiences.  "Hair is essential to the identity of many women"...also to many men.  "Femininity, sexuality, attractiveness, and personality are symbolically linked to a woman's hair, more so than for a man".  There continues to be a lot of qualifying words here.  The fact is...like I said before...PAIN is PAIN.  Each situation is individual.  I'm sure there are a lot of men who have been conditioned to not even share their emotions or suppress how they really feel. 

[Ronk 14,764]

Imo, Will Smith should have verbally called out Chris Rock for his insensitive comment, but should have stopped short of slapping him.

[doraemon 1,062]

Can somebody close this thread?

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

1 hour ago, Shale101 said:

Girl now you are reaching...of course you don't want me to respond.  Can I ask you are you a woman? If so then YOU can tell me how it feels if YOU are a balding woman otherwise you are just interpreting their experiences.  "Hair is essential to the identity of many women"...also to many men.  "Femininity, sexuality, attractiveness, and personality are symbolically linked to a woman's hair, more so than for a man".  There continues to be a lot of qualifying words here.  The fact is...like I said before...PAIN is PAIN.  Each situation is individual.  I'm sure there are a lot of men who have been conditioned to not even share their emotions or suppress how they really feel. 

Why are you so angry? Are you ok? I never said men don't feel pain. As I said before I am not negating anyone's pain. That other user is negating Jada's. 

Please leave me alone. 

[Shale101 99]

44 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Why are you so angry? Are you ok? I never said men don't feel pain. As I said before I am not negating anyone's pain. That other user is negating Jada's. 

Please leave me alone. 

So now you can tell that I'm angry?  Where exactly are you seeing that?  I'm unbothered but clearly you are pressed...don't act like a victim now.  

This is your quote: "Man, stop comparing women's hair loss to men's hair loss. It's offensive at this point. That is like comparing a man getting a mastectomy to a woman getting a mastectomy. "

Offensive.....what's offensive is you insinuating men's hair loss is a non issue compared to women's hairless.

BYE girl

[Chlorine 47,976]

BTW, Chris Rock made a whole documentary about black women's hair called "Good Hair."

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-joke-documentary-good-hair-b2045793.html

"In 2018, Pinkett Smith shared her experience with alopecia on Red Table Talk. “I was in the shower one day and had just handfuls of hair in my hands and I was just like, ‘Oh my God, am I going bald?’” she said. “It was one of those times in my life where I was literally shaking in fear. That’s why I cut my hair, and why I continue to cut it.”"

"Black hair is often the butt of public jokes and certainly the subject of negative public discourse... Even as a backlash in recent years led to more widespread acceptance of these styles... many Black women with hair loss were left behind. With cultural styles like weaves and braids being inaccessible to Pinkett Smith due to alopecia, she loses access to one of the ways Black women commonly express our cultural identity."

"Chris Rock was uniquely positioned to be sensitive about this issue... In 2009, he fronted a documentary called Good Hair that explored the ways in which Black women’s hair is stigmatized in western societies.... His three-year-old daughter had asked him, “Daddy, how come I don’t have good hair?” That was supposedly a lightbulb moment for Rock, where he came to realize the pressure Black women are under to have hair that meets an unattainable standard..."

"To minimize the work Jada had done to bring attention to alopecia — and to minimize the work he himself had done supposedly in pursuit of de-stigmatizing hair issues for Black women — was a horrible misstep for Rock."

[Oriane 21,266]

13 hours ago, Mother of Puppies said:

That's kindergarten behavior on both sides.

I was just thinking yesterday, the last time I slapped someone for making fun of me, I was 10. Some people don't grow up I guess 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

59 minutes ago, Shale101 said:

So now you can tell that I'm angry?  Where exactly are you seeing that?  I'm unbothered but clearly you are pressed...don't act like a victim now.  

This is your quote: "Man, stop comparing women's hair loss to men's hair loss. It's offensive at this point. That is like comparing a man getting a mastectomy to a woman getting a mastectomy. "

Offensive.....what's offensive is you insinuating men's hair loss is a non issue compared to women's hairless.

BYE girl

I'm seeing words in all caps on all your replies? 

Is this a real question? Do you not know what typing in all caps implies? It means yelling, shouting or rudeness in addition to being very pointed. 

I didn't say it was a non-issue the other user said women's hair loss is as much of a non-issue as men's hair loss. When clearly studies show that it is an issue and more so for women. 

Do

you

have

a

problem

with

reading

com-pre-henny-sion. 

Good God girl get a grip.

Also the other user literally said this in one of his comments.

 

"oh the poor, gorgeous, rich movie star that looks stunning with or without hair had her feelings hurt."

 

I'm not negating his feeling he is negating Jada's.

 

Stop quoting me. 

 

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10 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Stop quoting me. 

We are in a public forum. If you don't wanna be quoted, don't post 

[Micmaky 917]

Ok Will himself has apologised and said violence is not the answer. Most probably from his publicist but the issue should be over now as Will has admitted he should never have struck Rock.

It seems Rock had no idea Jada had alopecia so things were interpreted in the wrong way. I don’t think anyone should ever resort to violence unless in self defence so I find it hard to believe that there are so many defenders of Will Smith. If things were reversed and Rock struck Smith can you imagine the uproar. I guess when you are a Hollywood celeb you can get away with anything 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

7 minutes ago, AYURO said:

We are in a public forum. If you don't wanna be quoted, don't post 

[Shale101 99]

47 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I'm seeing words in all caps on all your replies? 

Is this a real question? Do you not know what typing in all caps implies? It means yelling, shouting or rudeness in addition to being very pointed. 

I didn't say it was a non-issue the other user said women's hair loss is as much of a non-issue as men's hair loss. When clearly studies show that it is an issue and more so for women. 

Do

you

have

a

problem

with

reading

com-pre-henny-sion. 

Good God girl get a grip.

Also the other user literally said this in one of his comments.

 

"oh the poor, gorgeous, rich movie star that looks stunning with or without hair had her feelings hurt."

 

I'm not negating his feeling he is negating Jada's.

 

Stop quoting me. 

 

Stop saying stupid **** and I wont have to quote you hun.  You are the one who believes comparing men's hair loss to women's hair loss is offensive.  Girl YOU need to get a grip...get a life...and get over it.  YOU said it.  " please don't respond"...." Please leave me alone"....." Stop quoting me".....ANY OTHER REQUESTS? Or you just gonna keep talking even though you want to be left alone.

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15 hours ago, Glojuice said:

Will was laughing. She gave him to look to do something. Will is a simp, so did her bidding. Jadas been calling the shots in this marriage so call me misogynistic but she’s definitely got some blame in this. 

So much for saying « toxic masculinity » and now u call Will weak because Jada is more assertive. And now it’s Jada’s fault he got up and slapped someone