No, Gaga did NOT over-campaign during award season

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22 hours ago, YourEvilTwin said:

I didn't mean Jessica. Yes she campaigned hard, but I don't think she used Oscar-winners to get in the same room with actual voters.

I know who you meant. I hope she doesn't win.

I hope Jessica wins. She deserves it. 

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21 hours ago, Frank Potion said:

I mean... if WE found it cringe and we love her... imagine other people who are not invested in her at all. 

But WE are NOT professional actors. 🙂

Most professional actors have worked with method actors.

They RESPECT Gaga's acting process, or she wouldn't have been nominated by her fellow ACTORS for a BAFTA Award, AND a SAG Award! 😍

Most actors have never been nominated for a SAG Award, or a BAFTA Award, you know? She made it look easy.

It takes dedication and discipline. As Gaga said, “I probably will completely change this when I have a child... I think when you are acting in that way, it could be problematic for a child to be around.” 

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1 hour ago, Sunny21 said:

THE BOARD?? You're funny. Did you just make that up? "The board DECIDING who wins the award?" 😂

FYI, Oscar noms are voted on by individual voting members of the Academy's Actors Branch (1,336 members)!

The Academy's Board of Governors WOULD HAVE LOVED for Spider-Man: No Way Home, Tom Holland, Gaga, Ariana (Best Original Song), etc., to be nominated, for ratings reason, but it's not up to them!

One of the Academy's governors said earlier this month that ABC had threatened to CANCEL the Oscars telecast if ratings don't improve this year. The 2021 Oscars averaged 10.4 million viewers. (CBS' Adele One Night Only concert special drew 11.7 million viewers in Live+3.)

Oscar nominations are voted on by members of the Actors Branch. Members return their ballot to the accounting firm (PwC). The accountants count the ballots. The top 5 vote-getters become the nominees! 

It's ENTIRELY up to individual voting members. There is no "nominations review committee." No "longlisting jury." No gatekeepers. 

It's fine to drag Gaga, but do a little research next time! 😂

I literally used “board” as a broad term for all of these awarding bodies, all made up of boards, panels, selected voters, critics etc and the entire point is still applicable to them.

If you think I’m even slightly attempting to “drag” Gaga, you’re utterly wrong and should re-read my comment.  I’m literally saying I don’t agree with how these awards are rewarded LMAO 

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9 hours ago, Tyler1992 said:

There isn’t a board who decides at the Oscars. It’s actually one of the award ceremonies that is vote for vote. Price Waterhouse Coopers is the third party that counts votes

 

9 hours ago, Tyler1992 said:

There is no board with the Oscars. It’s vote for vote. You’re wrong 

See above, using “board” as a broad term.  You’re welcome!

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22 hours ago, elijahfan said:

I think you misunderstood the criticism. By over-campaigning, I think people meant being a little too nerdy and extra with the whole method thing. At least that’s how I interpreted it.

But who are these PEOPLE? Film twitter? 

How many verified accounts on film twitter are professional ACTORS - AND members of the Academy, BAFTA, or SAG?? 

Because if her fellow professional ACTORS thought she was "too nerdy and extra with the method thing," they would NOT have nominated her for a BAFTA Award, AND a SAG Award! 

BAFTA is the British Academy, like the British Oscars, not the Teen Choice Awards. They nominated House of Gucci, as did SAG, so clearly they liked the movie more than the Academy! 

Isn't that the MORE likely reason for Gaga's Oscar snub?? Oscar voters HATED HoG, per Variety. 

(Variety has been around for over a century. It's the only trade publication you need to read.)

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36 minutes ago, Sunny21 said:

But who are these PEOPLE? Film twitter?

Well, one of these people are me, to begin with  I can guess that some professionals might find it a bit extra and alienating when a pop star recently turned actress is there saying she got drunk from drinking water on set, and basically giving them a run for their money in terms of involvement and preparation.

And nobody's arguing with the fact she deserved a nom - we're here wondering why they're not making her win. There's also probably not a single reason. Plus, who cares at this point.

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On 3/17/2022 at 11:06 AM, Dead body said:

The thing is, the only cringe thing she said during this campain is when she said great things about Ridley's work o' HOG. The flies and all is literally nothing special, it's like a conversation you'd have everyday with your colleagues at work, come on

 

12 hours ago, HIM820 said:

My biggest problem was that sooo many people accused her of lying and making fun of her when she didn’t get the nomination. Then literally that next week Robert Pattinson says in an interview that he’s lied in interviews to make them fun since he became famous… and people thought it was funny and ate it up! I’m not judging him for doing that because idgaf (I also find it funny that I REMEMBER CLEARLY when people said he didn’t shower and turns out he made up that rumor! Lol) but woah what a double standard that was. 
 

Anyways this is a moot point anyways because she was 100% the sixth spot within the acting body branch of the academy so whether she did or didn’t doesn’t matter. Only the f*gs and critics on Twitter had something to say about it, yet somehow she got nominated for all the critic awards. Hm. Go figure. 

 

11 hours ago, Dead body said:

I mean, I get what you're saying, cause Gaga makes it sound very easy.

But I feel like her "new reputation" was inevitable, because Gaga can just say "Hello haha" on Twitter and make headlines for it 

But for real, if you train a little bit (not speaking about YOU specifically, but people in general), you can use your mind and breath to fake your emotions and actually feel them intensely, or take your mind out of your body. It's not even only psychological, it's also physical, as you stimulate different hormones that regulate your feelings. Gaga is very used to it in her everyday life, because 1) she dissociates and 2) she has fibromyalgia and works on it on a daily basis not to feel the pain, as mentionned in her interview with Oprah in January 2020

I agree. Gaga studied method acting at the Lee Strasberg Theatre & Film Institute for 10 years.

Strasberg's Method focuses on the psychological aspects of the actor's own real-life experiences to temporarily "BECOME" the character they are portraying. That's the point. 

She said she lived AS Patrizia for the entirety of filming... as corroborated by poor Adam, Camille, Salma, Jared, and Frederic.

Why is it so hard for some of her "fans" to believe... that she was telling the TRUTH?? 

She said she couldn't go out much because of the pandemic. Sometimes she couldn't remember who OR where she was. She pushed herself to the limit and "it can be hard to reel it in" on her own, which is why she had a PSYCHIATRIC nurse with her towards the end of filming!    

Gaga is not a veteran actor. HoG is her second movie. She jumped in the deep end, went FULL method to "become" a murderer. She practically admitted she was in OVER HER HEAD. Who could blame her? I'd be a little confused, too.

No wonder Bobby suggested a rom-com after the movie wrapped! 🙂

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15 hours ago, Alcina Dimitrescu said:

She was plenty of cringe during the campaign, highlight moments being when Salma Hayek just phased out while Gaga rambled until she mentioned some letter and Salma face went "wtf are u talking about" and the Actresses Rountable Interview when she said she felt drunk to prop drinks and the other girls went "no"

Because they are NOT method actors. Gaga is! Why is it so hard to understand?? 🤔

Just because they're not method doesn't mean they don't respect her acting process. They're professional actors.

I wouldn't be surprised if method acting is why Gaga was nominated for a BAFTA Award, AND a SAG Award. 

The problem with her "fans" insisting she was snubbed because of her "method acting thing," based on pure CONJECTURE, is that they're shaming her for her ACTING process. 

Worse, they want Gaga to CENSOR herself... for what?? 

Funny, because back in 2011 they had no problem when Gaga showed up at the Grammys in her egg ("VESSEL"). "Creative embryonic incubation," as she put it. 

They had no problem with her MEAT DRESS. As Billie said, a decade later... Yikes!

Gaga is nerdy and extra, it's nothing new. Her "fans?" They've become their PARENTS. 🙂

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On 3/17/2022 at 11:04 AM, YourEvilTwin said:

she said a few silly thing that went viral. That's not campaigning - it's called influence.

Influence is when you say crazy things during interviews and end up getting mocked for it online? 

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The problem was not how much she campaigned, but how she campaigned. While we recognize that she was just being herself, the sort of off the wall things she said and did turned off a lot of academy voters from making her their #1 pick. Generally speaking, the academy gets turned off by getting the sense that someone is trying too hard or the feeling that someone is overexposing themselves as they campaign. It’s not her fault, she is still quite new to that world and it’s definitely a learning curve on how to best work the Oscar campaign circuit. It’s very different from campaigning for the Grammys, Golden Globes, et. She’ll learn it, it just takes time. 

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3 hours ago, Benji said:

I literally used “board” as a broad term for all of these awarding bodies, all made up of boards, panels, selected voters, critics etc and the entire point is still applicable to them.

If you think I’m even slightly attempting to “drag” Gaga, you’re utterly wrong and should re-read my comment.  I’m literally saying I don’t agree with how these awards are rewarded LMAO 

No, doesn't apply to the Academy. Oscar nominees are voted on by 1,336 individual voting members in the ACTORS Branch. Professional actors.

Professional actors are not fans. They are not critics. They KNOW what it takes to be an actor. They may not be method, but they've worked WITH method actors and respect their artistic process.

If Gaga talking about method acting annoyed her fellow actors, why was she nominated by her FELLOW ACTORS for a BAFTA Award... AND a SAG Award?? 

BAFTA is the British Academy, the British Oscars. They nominated HoG. SAG also nominated HoG. The Academy did NOT.  

Isn't that a more likely reason for her Oscar snub?? 

That the Academy HATED HoG, as Variety mentioned, more than once, based on their conversations with Academy members.

It has nothing to do with Rotten Tomatoes scores. Oscar voters like Don't Look Up (RT 55%) because of the message (climate change). They like movies about the entertainment industry (movies/TV/music). They don't like movies that make money, unless it's really good, like Black Panther. 

What proof does film twitter have that Gaga was snubbed because of her campaign? Or was it pure conjecture?? 

Why would her fans (not talking about you) give CREDENCE to film twitter anyway? (Rhetorical question.) 🤔

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1 hour ago, No Way Home said:

the sort of off the wall things she said and did turned off a lot of academy voters from making her their #1 pick. 

You're stating your opinion as FACT. 

Why would she be their #1 pick?? Oscar voters HATED House of Gucci, based on their off-the-record conversations with Variety. 

Variety had Gaga on the bubble from day one. She was #5 even after she was nominated for a BAFTA Award. Trust them. They've been around for over a century. They actually talk to Oscar voters. 

BAFTA nominated HoG. SAG nominated HoG. The Academy didn't. Simple as that. The movie had no message and made too much money, I guess. 🙂

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1 hour ago, No Way Home said:

Generally speaking, the academy gets turned off by getting the sense that someone is trying too hard or the feeling that someone is overexposing themselves as they campaign. 

Off the top of my head, 

Anne Hathaway (Les Misérables)
Kate Winslet (The Reader)
Mo'Nique (Precious)
Jared Leto (Dallas Buyers Club) 

It didn't matter if they over-campaigned or under-campaigned (wouldn't campaign for free), as long as they're good, AND their movie's good (all nominated for Best Picture), they're IN ... and won. 🙂

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2 hours ago, Sunny21 said:

No, doesn't apply to the Academy. Oscar nominees are voted on by 1,336 individual voting members in the ACTORS Branch. Professional actors.

Professional actors are not fans. They are not critics. They KNOW what it takes to be an actor. They may not be method, but they've worked WITH method actors and respect their artistic process.

If Gaga talking about method acting annoyed her fellow actors, why was she nominated by her FELLOW ACTORS for a BAFTA Award... AND a SAG Award?? 

BAFTA is the British Academy, the British Oscars. They nominated HoG. SAG also nominated HoG. The Academy did NOT.  

Isn't that a more likely reason for her Oscar snub?? 

That the Academy HATED HoG, as Variety mentioned, more than once, based on their conversations with Academy members.

It has nothing to do with Rotten Tomatoes scores. Oscar voters like Don't Look Up (RT 55%) because of the message (climate change). They like movies about the entertainment industry (movies/TV/music). They don't like movies that make money, unless it's really good, like Black Panther. 

What proof does film twitter have that Gaga was snubbed because of her campaign? Or was it pure conjecture?? 

Why would her fans (not talking about you) give CREDENCE to film twitter anyway? (Rhetorical question.) 🤔

I’m well aware of how the academy works, film is my primary area of study, that is my industry. 

The actors branch is indeed comprised of other actors and they are notorious (and have been for decades) for turning away from performers who go above and beyond with their campaigning. This is not my opinion, this is according to what many former and current members of the acting voting body. Voters don’t tend to like a potential nominee who oversells themselves and traditionally lean toward the actors and actresses who had a more conservative campaign, and that is reflected in this year’s nominations.

Notice that none of the nominated actresses had a massive campaign that drew constant media attention. It was the same last year. Voters tend to lean toward those who don’t draw a lot of public attention to themselves. 

Also, Variety is not the good source you think it is. They are notorious for being quick to report hearsay and slow to verify if it’s true. If you want to really know what the industry is saying, read industry specific sources, not websites that do have connections but are formatted for the GP like Variety, Rotten Tomatoes, that scene. 

1 hour ago, Sunny21 said:

You're stating your opinion as FACT. 

Why would she be their #1 pick?? Oscar voters HATED House of Gucci, based on their off-the-record conversations with Variety. 

Variety had Gaga on the bubble from day one. She was #5 even after she was nominated for a BAFTA Award. Trust them. They've been around for over a century. They actually talk to Oscar voters. 

BAFTA nominated HoG. SAG nominated HoG. The Academy didn't. Simple as that. The movie had no message and made too much money, I guess. 🙂

We cannot blame the academy’s dislike of House of Gucci for her not getting nominated. In lead acting categories, the film itself does not factor in as majorly as one would think it does. Let’s look at the last 10 years for actress: 7 of the winners have won for a film nominated for Best Picture, but only 1 (Francis last year for Nomadland) have won from a film that ultimately won best picture. Looking outward to solely nominees, 45 actresses (excluding winners) were nominated and of those, only 25 were nominated for actress as part of a best picture nominee, and most of those weren’t nominated for more than a writing award or a technical award outside of the acting nomination. 

This year, not a single actress nominee is nominated for a film that is nominated for best picture. What’s even more, 2 films don’t have any nominations outside of the acting categories (Being the Ricardos and Spencer), 2 don’t have one singular nomination that is not for an acting category but they’re both technical awards (Parallel Mothers for best score and Eyes of Tammy Fae has makeup), and the remaining one only has 1 additional nomination outside of an acting category and it’s for for screenplay (The Lost Daughter). 

Clearly, these are not films that the academy liked, but they liked these performances. Now it’s quite obvious that voters like Gaga’s performance because she was nominated for the SAG. The voting body for the SAG and the voting body for the Oscars overlap majorly as most who are members of the SAG are also members of the Academy. So, what was the difference here then? 

The ones who overlaps did not rank Gaga high on their ballots for the Oscars and those who do not overlap either didn’t either or didn’t at all. Voting for nominees for the SAG happens before the voting for the academy does, so Gaga’s campaign had not yet been in full swing. There is a correlation between the events of the campaign and her lack of a nomination, and it is not the film. 

1 hour ago, Sunny21 said:

Off the top of my head, 

Anne Hathaway (Les Misérables)
Kate Winslet (The Reader)
Mo'Nique (Precious)
Jared Leto (Dallas Buyers Club) 

It didn't matter if they over-campaigned or under-campaigned (wouldn't campaign for free), as long as they're good, AND their movie's good (all nominated for Best Picture), they're IN ... and won. 🙂

3 of these (Anne and Jared and Mo’Nique) were for supporting, not lead. Supporting is almost always a lighter category in terms of competition and does often align with picture as a result of that. See above for why supporting does not often align with leading.  

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On 3/17/2022 at 5:30 PM, Frank Potion said:

I mean... if WE found it cringe and we love her... imagine other people who are not invested in her at all. That's all I gotta say.

None of this really matters though, which is the good news. 

ngl, fans find Enigma cringe but the GP love it so...