On Gaga's legacy injecting Metal into the mainstream:

[enissa11 2,984]

So i just saw Ed Sheeran and Bring Me The Horizon live performance of Bad Habits, and as a die hard metalhead let me tell you is that i didn't like it at all, i have problems with it and i have my reasons, but anyway, watching it it couldn't help but think how much gaga allowed this by pushing the boundaries in the massive commercial pop mediums to have metal bands collaborating with popstars and injecting metal into the mainstream, her live performance with Metallica at the grammys really demonstrated that it was possible to bridge the two world and it really marked an important precedent.

Just think about it, in contemporary pop music, before gaga collaborated with Metallica, there was really no metal or pop artists collaborating with metal bands, (and i say contemporary pop music because metal was very popular in the 70's, 80's and even 90's but decayed in the last two decades in terms of mainstream appeal) but then after that happened, now we have BMTH with halsey, Miley cyrus with Metallica, ed sheeran with BMTH etc.

Of course, all of this happened, but the one who really took the stones for it was gaga with Metallica, their performance had backlash from from both the metal community and the pop world, and now it is more accepted and people even look forward to it.

I think it's important to give gaga credit for that because she was really the one who took the all risk full force, and now other pop artists have followed her path, in a much more watered down and purposeless way, as usual.

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I'm so glad you brought this up because I think we don't give her enough credit for really experimenting with different genres and just being a trailblazer in general. I loved her Metallica collab BUT at first I thought some of it was cringey. 

After I realized how iconic it is of her to even get the chance to perform with those legends, I was able to set aside any expectations I had for the performance. She also did a fun glam rock version of Shallow which I totally forgot about. 

Lastly, I really hope her next step incorporates rock and dance, similar to BTW but with a different spin. 

[enissa11 2,984]

29 minutes ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

I loved her Metallica collab BUT at first I thought some of it was cringey. 

i used to have my reservations too, but after analysing better the performance in function with gaga's background with metal and go go dancing and also the lyrics and concept of moth into flame, it all makes perfect sense, and it's just a brilliant performance in a lot of ways, even with the mic failure, it allowed them to channel an anger at the ends that was just totally in the moment, the reason that i love live music is because spontaneous magic and brilliant things like that can happen.

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this is insane, fans are now literally trying to credit Gaga for the most random things.

 

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1 hour ago, enissa11 said:

I think it's important to give gaga credit for that because she was really the one who took the all risk full force, and now other pop artists have followed her path, in a much more watered down and purposeless way, as usual.

what RISK? it was a live performance, not a lead single... hardly a RISK... full force?? this is insane....

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3 minutes ago, androiduser said:

what RISK? it was a live performance, not a lead single... hardly a RISK... full force?? this is insane....

A mpg performing metal with Metallica? Sure, a flub wouldn't have been career ending, not even close, but she had to not only retain the approval of her pop fans but win over the metal heads

Idk if I'd call it a risk. More like something out of the box. And now it's a bit less out of the box today

Whether she started that or simply reinforced it, I can't say  'cause I live under a rock, really

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23 minutes ago, androiduser said:

what RISK? it was a live performance, not a lead single... hardly a RISK... full force?? this is insane....

so live performances doesn't matter? they're an essential part in the music industry, of course i know she haven't done a metal album, but no one in the pop world has done that yet so why even pointing this out? it was full force because she shift her way to sing and to perform, she as a performer adapted to the genre she was playing and she did it masterfully, they didn't change the adn of song to adapt it to gaga's style, she blend and became Metallica's front woman.

watching ed sheeran singing in his regular pop way while oliver from BMTH was doing his thing was underwhelming and just does enough to tell you the amount of work and dedication the performer has and how much they value the genre the're playing.
Plus it also was full force becuse she did it in the most famous stage in america, the grammys, it wasn't just a casual performance not so many people is interested.

what they did was unprecedented, a modern popstar collabing with a metal band, this literally never happened before in a big scale like that, so then i dare you to give me an equally comprable precedent to argue against me that it wasn't full force

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2 hours ago, PartySick said:

A mpg performing metal with Metallica? Sure, a flub wouldn't have been career ending, not even close, but she had to not only retain the approval of her pop fans but win over the metal heads

Idk if I'd call it a risk. More like something out of the box. And now it's a bit less out of the box today

Whether she started that or simply reinforced it, I can't say  'cause I live under a rock, really

it was a risk, not in the sense that it would end her career of course, unless it would've tuned out really bad. But what people don't understand is that metal is not easy at all to perform, this could've gone very wrong if you don't really have the vein to perform it, it is like jazz in that sense, and gaga went full force with the genre, she morphed into it while still keeping her way, and that is very difficult plus you have to be talented.

Look she did it amazing, and their performance was showstopping and manage a technical failure brilliantly, and yet they still got backlash from metalheads and popstans. if that doesn't tell you that it was a risk i don't know what would do.

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Gaga wasn’t THE pioneer of pop starts singing metal.

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1 hour ago, NFRatwell said:

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Gaga wasn’t the pioneer of pop artists singing metal

billy idol is a legend and i like this song but he just doesn't play heavy metal lol, and neither his former band generation x, they're more punk rock/glam rock, in fact they developed paralleled with the new wave of british heavy metal... anyway rock crossovers with pop artists have been happening a lot of times through history, even in the modern era of music, miley is not the first doing it either, it's much more common with rock.

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8 minutes ago, enissa11 said:

billy idol and this song rebel yell is not heavy metal lol, and neither his former band generation x, they're more punk rock/glam rock, in fact they developed paralleled with the new wave of british heavy metal... anyway rock crossovers with pop artists have been happening a lot of times through history, even in the modern era of music, miley is not the first doing it either, it's much more common with rock.

“Hard rock; ‎heavy metal‎“ But honestly what exactly is different between Miley’s performance and Gaga’s? They’re both singing with the intent of sounding natural to the genre, both have the same style… Not to mention Miley has been performing stuff like this since 2012. Now she’s actually making music with Billy Idol, performing with Metallica, etc. You cant honestly say Gaga brought Metal into the mainstream. If she had that power other pop stars would have jazz records out. 

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1 hour ago, NFRatwell said:

“Hard rock; ‎heavy metal‎“ But honestly what exactly is different between Miley’s performance and Gaga’s? They’re both singing with the intent of sounding natural to the genre, both have the same style… Not to mention Miley has been performing stuff like this since 2012. Now she’s actually making music with Billy Idol, performing with Metallica, etc. You cant honestly say Gaga brought Metal into the mainstream. If she had that power other pop stars would have jazz records out. 

wikipedia says that, but they mess up with genres all the time, it's really just glam rock/hard rock sounding, not metal, metal is much more intense and distorted riff driven, more if it's thrash metal you can really hear the difference, just compare it. No one who knows about the genre would tell you that billy idol plays metal. There's a huge difference in the way that gaga's singing, her technique is different, she's belting out all the song, at the end she makes a key change belting out, she make some distorted vocals etc, just the way there's a huge difference between the way james perform vs the way billy performs, outside just style, it's also the type of music they play.
it's also different the way miley performs Nothing else matters which is a rock ballad, and that song goes much more with her style, i think that's part of the reason she chose that song instead of a full metal song. And the song she did with billy idol, night crawling, i wouldn't even considered it a rock song, it's a straight up pop song with some minimal guitars lol.

Gaga has been also performing and making songs with Mick Jagger and Brian May since 2011 but i purposefully didn't count that because they just not play heavy metal, same with miley's case...

 

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1 hour ago, NFRatwell said:

You cant honestly say Gaga brought Metal into the mainstream. If she had that power other pop stars would have jazz records out. 

that's an excellent comparison, in this case jazz is not something that gaga brought to the mainstream, of course she's contributing to keep the tradition alive, but the responsables to making it mainstream in the contemporary era of pop music is Amy Winehouse with tony, they literally marked a precedent, gaga followed their path because she has the talent, and no other artist is doing it after her because there is not much mainstream appeal to the genre right now, plus it is a very difficult genre to perform and it requires a special type of talent if you want to perform it and be remarkable.
The same thing happens to heavy metal, but in this case there's really no precedents if we're talking about a pop artist performing it or doing it, gaga is literally the first in pop music and others had followed, it caused outrage within the metal community at the time for the same reason, there was no precedent, i can tell you that, i lived it from the within even before becoming a fan of gaga, that's bringing it to the mainstream.

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2 hours ago, NFRatwell said:

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Gaga wasn’t THE pioneer of pop starts singing metal.

How is this metal? 

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1 hour ago, NFRatwell said:

If she had that power other pop stars would have jazz records out. 

I mean everyone started making stripped-back country-ish records after Joanne came out, and not to mention the countless Chromatica rip-off concept albums that followed after its release. 
 

So I guess she does have that power lol