nATAH 48,634 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 i mean this is her second attempt at a lead actress campaign, right? she's still gotta work out the kinks and techniques of a good movie campaign unlike a music campaign during ASIB, she was clearly way too scripted and with HoG, she had a lot of odd moments taken out of context (no thanks to GGD twitter ) mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, dojo said: Campaigning for an oscar is 80% the job they explain it very good in this video. that year that horrible dude Weinstein had 3 movies and 3 actresses competing against each other, he decided to focus on Nicole Kidman (she won) funny thing is that Salma still sneak into the best actress nominations solely because her acting in the movie was THAT GOOD but she later admitted that the studio and Weinstein did NOTHING for her and she had to do all the campaign on her own, as much as she could with no other support. tells you a lot about the industry huh? and this was almost 20 years ago, i'm sure things are more complicated now with social media culture. Campaigning should be 0% of the job. Doing a great job acting should be 100% of the job. Otherwise the award "best actress" might not go the actual best actress so the award title is meaningless. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,036 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 If anything, I'd say she might have campaigned too much. Even though her approach with method acting came from a genuine place, I think she might have come across as a little too extra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,365 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ronk said: Campaigning should be 0% of the job. Doing a great job acting should be 100% of the job. Otherwise the award "best actress" might not go the actual best actress so the award title is meaningless. only actresses which the role and their acting really exceeded all expectations (like the actress from Roma a couple of years ago and several others) earn a nomination in an effortless way and sometimes even the oscar. i agree with you, i was unaware of this dynamic until now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,036 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ronk said: Campaigning should be 0% of the job. Doing a great job acting should be 100% of the job. Otherwise the award "best actress" might not go the actual best actress so the award title is meaningless. Welcome to reality That's why nobody should take these things too seriously. Awards are more a reflection of one's reputation at a certain moment than one's actual talents. Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick never won Best Director, that should put things into perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussycat 3,514 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 So basically you fuhck all of the Acadamy and u get the Oscar Let's get into acting girls!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,365 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, pussycat said: So basically you fuhck all of the Acadamy and u get the Oscar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, elijahfan said: Welcome to reality That's why nobody should take these things too seriously. Awards are more a reflection of one's reputation at a certain moment than one's actual talents. Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick never won Best Director, that should put things into perspective. It's why I'm disappointed with any award shows that become popularity contests rather than talent contests. And it hurts all past winners too, because they might not have won because of their talent. The entire thing becomes degraded. It becomes just an entertainment show. Too bad so many people think those shows reflect the truth. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streamstarcrossed 409 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I think she did everything she possibly could. The academy just didn’t want her, and that’s ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,036 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Ronk said: It's why I'm disappointed with any award shows that become popularity contests rather than talent contests. And it hurts all past winners too, because they might not have won because of their talent. The entire thing becomes degraded. It becomes just an entertainment show. Too bad so many people think those shows reflect the truth. Well, these people should get a reality check. Judging art is so subjective anyway.... While it is rewarding and important to be recognized by your peers, it shouldn't be confused with one's actual abilities. And this is true for much more than just the Oscars, it's virtually impossible to crown anyone the obvious and indisputable best of anything. That being said, Gaga's snub still defies all logic. She had literally ticked all the boxes. I feel like it's typically a case of: she was such an obvious contender that voters ended up not bothering voting for her, thinking she would be a shoe-in no matter what. Time has shown the Oscars got many things wrong over the years for similar reasons, ending up giving out honorary awards to make amends, or awarding amazing actors for forgettable roles and make up for past lost opportunities. 2022 shows they still haven't learnt their lessons and are as short-sighted as they've been for the past century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadreMonster 2,584 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, permotio said: It’s so weird to me that there even is such thing as “campaigning”. I mean it’s like marketing a product. If a pop star doesn’t promote or advertise themselves/their product - it’s bound to sell less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,365 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, MadreMonster said: I mean it’s like marketing a product. If a pop star doesn’t promote or advertise themselves/their product - it’s bound to sell less i would understand that in promoting the movie to get people to actually buy a ticket to watch the movie not for an award. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, elijahfan said: Well, these people should get a reality check. Judging art is so subjective anyway.... While it is rewarding and important to be recognized by your peers, it shouldn't be confused with one's actual abilities. And this is true for much more than just the Oscars, it's virtually impossible to crown anyone the obvious and indisputable best of anything. That being said, Gaga's snub still defies all logic. She had literally ticked all the boxes. I feel like it's typically a case of: she was such an obvious contender that voters ended up not bothering voting for her, thinking she would be a shoe-in no matter what. Time has shown the Oscars got many things wrong over the years for similar reasons, ending up giving out honorary awards to make amends, or awarding amazing actors for forgettable roles and make up for past lost opportunities. 2022 shows they still haven't learnt their lessons and are as short-sighted as they've been for the past century. I agree. I don't think the snub was intentional. I don't think groups of voters got together to hurt Gaga's chances. As you say each voter protected their faves, thinking Gaga would certainly get in anyway. We don't live in a perfect world where things are judged strictly on merits, but judges are influenced by many factors outside of merit. And even if things were judged only on merits, the tastes and artistic preferences of the judges will always be there. As you say, it's subjective. Gaga's snub does seem to defy all logic until you consider that judges didn't intend a snub, but when you add up all the scores she just didn't make the cut, probably to the judges' surprise. I was very hurt by the snub because I want Gaga to be happy. But Gaga knows how things work and probably isn't bothered by it. I hope she attends the ceremony. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadreMonster 2,584 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 48 minutes ago, dojo said: i would understand that in promoting the movie to get people to actually buy a ticket to watch the movie not for an award. I mean the award makes more people interested in the movie and gives the studio/actors/directors/etc a boost in their resumes Not always but getting nominated/winning an Oscar comes with monetary value and credibility. Just think of it like adding an internship to your resume, it may cost more money or not be as “rewarding” right away but is valuable on a job search. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregano 103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 hours ago, dojo said: only actresses which the role and their acting really exceeded all expectations (like the actress from Roma a couple of years ago and several others) earn a nomination in an effortless way and sometimes even the oscar. i agree with you, i was unaware of this dynamic until now. Yalitza campaigned hard though, the difference is she wasn't campaigning for a win... she was campaigning for a career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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