New Video: “Kids in CRISIS as liberals shutter schools again”

[SharkmanthaC 115,045]

1 minute ago, PartySick said:

Do you think we could demand a six figure salary? Asking for a friend

Maybe six figures if you include the numbers behind the decimal. 

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

6 minutes ago, PartySick said:

But in all seriousness, there are more things to consider than just how an individual kid deals with a covid infection.

Do I have the answer? I sure don't. But I know the answer isn't just "open the flood gates and let those kids mingle".

I don't think that's what anyone who's sensible is suggesting. Keeping schools open doesn't mean do away with protocols and safety practices. Masks and social distancing and such should continue to be practiced all things considered.

The point is to do all that can be done to ensure schools stay open. That doesn't mean just allow teachers to get sick and just keep them open when there isn't enough staffing. Obviously there's going to be cases when there's no other option but to shut down.

It just shouldn't be the go-to plan or standard is all.

11 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said:

I get it, I agree, but what I'm not going to tolerate is this cut and dry argument that virtual school is evil. 

Yea, I don't accept that either. It's obviously not for everyone, and I don't think it should be the standard and in-person is always going to be better, but it's also not evil and useless and has its own merit.

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10 minutes ago, SamanthaC said:

I’m sorry but these new variants have really hit kids hard. The flu is not worse. I don’t know how those places kept it at bay but we have had many students catch Covid. We had a teacher die in our district as well. 

COVID is less severe than the flu for children. Look at page 16 and 21 from the CDC’s own reports below. There were 66 COVID related deaths for children 5-11 between 2020-2021 whereas there were 84 flu deaths in 2019. The newer variants are not more severe for children. Fauci has clarified hospitalizations “with COVID” have increased since disease is so widespread, not hospitalizations “from COVID”. Both links for these as sources are below.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/03/fauci_statistics_showing_children_hospitalized_with_covid_doesnt_imply_they_are_hospitalized_because_of_covid.html

While it is very unfortunate teachers have passed away, we need to make sure everyone is vaccinated to prevent future deaths.

 

8 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said:

Funny, since online learning has literally been a thing for just about the last two decades. 

Unfortunately it hasn’t been widespread for a reason, since many low-income households don’t even have computers, or their parents are working essential jobs so they have nobody to supervise them. While it may work for many middle-upper middle class students and the schools  they go to for now, it doesn’t work for every child who needs in person teaching, especially those who come from low income families. The fact that it’s usually public schools going remote makes this a bigger problem.

[SharkmanthaC 115,045]

2 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said:

I don't think that's what anyone who's sensible is suggesting. Keeping schools open doesn't mean do away with protocols and safety practices. Masks and social distancing and such should continue to be practiced all things considered.

The point is to do all that can be done to ensure schools stay open. That doesn't mean just allow teachers to get sick and just keep them open when there isn't enough staffing. Obviously there's going to be cases when there's no other option but to shut down.

It just shouldn't be the go-to plan or standard is all.

Yea, I don't accept that either. It's obviously not for everyone, and I don't think it should be the standard and in-person is always going to be better, but it's also not evil and useless and has its own merit.

The safety protocols is a big issue of why teachers are wanting virtual right now. Districts have gone masks optional, we aren’t allowed to screen anymore (meaning symptom and fever checks), cleaning and sanitizing is minimal (most of the time with teachers having to do it because of limited staff), parents sending kids to school sick, and there isn’t enough space for kids to be six feet apart. 

[HuffsAhoy 7,433]

1 minute ago, ceminay said:

While it may work for many middle-upper middle class students and the schools  they go to for now, it doesn’t work for every child who needs in person teaching, especially those who come from low income families. The fact that it’s usually public schools going remote makes this a bigger problem.

Again, that problem falls back on the districts and schools. The help was there to provide low income families the supported needed. It's sad some districts chose to pocket the cash than help, but those are the exceptions, not the reality. 

[Chromatography 10,186]

18 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said:

Please read the rest of the thread before making ignorant statements like this

Edit to add: Even the poorest and lowest performing school district in North Carolina has funds and resources for virtual learning. There are zero excuses. 

north carolina isn’t the entire US, which is what i’m talking about. calm down

[SharkmanthaC 115,045]

3 minutes ago, ceminay said:

COVID is less severe than the flu for children. Look at page 16 and 21 from the CDC’s own reports below. There were 66 COVID related deaths for children 5-11 between 2020-2021 whereas there were 84 flu deaths in 2019. The newer variants are not more severe for children. Fauci has clarified hospitalizations “with COVID” have increased since disease is so widespread, not hospitalizations “from COVID”. Both links for these as sources are below.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/03/fauci_statistics_showing_children_hospitalized_with_covid_doesnt_imply_they_are_hospitalized_because_of_covid.html

While it is very unfortunate teachers have passed away, we need to make sure everyone is vaccinated to prevent future deaths.

 

Unfortunately it hasn’t been widespread for a reason, since many low-income households don’t even have computers, or their parents are working essential jobs so they have nobody to supervise them. While it may work for many middle-upper middle class students and the schools  they go to for now, it doesn’t work for every child who needs in person teaching, especially those who come from low income families. The fact that it’s usually public schools going remote makes this a bigger problem.

I don’t mean the flu isn’t worse in causing death. I mean in how contagious it is. Imagine a child that lives with a grandparent getting sick and bringing that home to them and the grandparent dying. We need to think about it beyond just the children dying. I have only heard of a few districts mandating vaccines for teachers. Most won’t do it right now because schools are so short staffed they can’t afford to lose more. I 100% think people need to get vaccinated but that isn’t the reality right now. 

[SharkmanthaC 115,045]

2 minutes ago, Chromatography said:

north carolina isn’t the entire US, which is what i’m talking about. calm down

But what he’s saying is that the funds given to schools were federal funds. Every single district in the US received them. 

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

Children don’t run schools. Adults do. 

Adults failed to contain this virus and the children are suffering.

Capitalism has chosen profits over lives.

Virtual and in person learning should be options for all children. 

[ThisGuyTony 34,874]

I work at a school. They said all meetings between staff need to be virtual but all students are still in person.  

Attendance has been horrible this week with many kids out due to sickness, traveling, or flat out ditching. 

Neither my students or myself wanna do online (they’re saying we’re close to doing remote due to cases surging and staff issues) but there is a lot of burnout among staff and worry about health and safety.

If there’s no one at the school to cover classes (no subs, no office staff, admin) then we have no choice. 

[stevana229 1,916]

most liberals want schools open.. the FAR left is who is pushing for lockdowns. as the far right still thinks Covid was created by the US government to make Trump lose the election... 

[SpadesToStart 3,808]

Why is anyone bothering to argue with the OP? The inflammatory language used in the thread’s title should tell you everything you need to know about the type of discourse they are open to having. 

[Mister G 10,512]

15 hours ago, ceminay said:

COVID is less severe than the flu for children. Look at page 16 and 21 from the CDC’s own reports below. There were 66 COVID related deaths for children 5-11 between 2020-2021 whereas there were 84 flu deaths in 2019. The newer variants are not more severe for children. Fauci has clarified hospitalizations “with COVID” have increased since disease is so widespread, not hospitalizations “from COVID”. Both links for these as sources are below.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/03/fauci_statistics_showing_children_hospitalized_with_covid_doesnt_imply_they_are_hospitalized_because_of_covid.html

While it is very unfortunate teachers have passed away, we need to make sure everyone is vaccinated to prevent future deaths.

 

Unfortunately it hasn’t been widespread for a reason, since many low-income households don’t even have computers, or their parents are working essential jobs so they have nobody to supervise them. While it may work for many middle-upper middle class students and the schools  they go to for now, it doesn’t work for every child who needs in person teaching, especially those who come from low income families. The fact that it’s usually public schools going remote makes this a bigger problem.

Good luck convincing everyone to get vaccinated. Most of these parents that have assaulted school board members, crashed their meetings, and have viciously threatened teachers left and right aren’t vaccinated themselves and will likely not get their kids vaccinated. 

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

24 minutes ago, SpadesToStart said:

Why is anyone bothering to argue with the OP? The inflammatory language used in the thread’s title should tell you everything you need to know about the type of discourse they are open to having. 

It's literally the title of the video, not something I created, but go off I guess.  

Also, you should ptobably look up definitions of words before you go using and throwing them around. 

[Nemo 4,410]

17 hours ago, rawrimamonster said:

Krystal Ball is a right wing hack.

WTF? When did this happen? She was a Democrat like, last year...

(No, I haven't watched the video.)

 

17 hours ago, POP2 said:

A vast majority of liberals agree with what you’re saying - I for one do. It’s the people on the far left who are still pushing lockdowns. 

 

15 hours ago, stevana229 said:

most liberals want schools open.. the FAR left is who is pushing for lockdowns. as the far right still thinks Covid was created by the US government to make Trump lose the election... 

This is absurd. There's no left-wing agenda to close the schools. How would that even work? There's no logic to it.

The people who want to close the schools, are the people who are most concerned about Covid. That has zero to do with being left wing. However, what is true, is that Covid denialism (i.e. the idea that it's no big deal, and measures to address it are bad) has become strongly associated with the right wing, for reasons I don't fully understand (but the link is undeniable). That may leave the non-deniers (or however you want to characterize them) as more left, by default, but it doesn't make that a left-wing position.