James Franco Acting Student Not Buying His Apologies

[Defmix100 6,398]

12 minutes ago, Serial Chiller said:

It's not... as simple as that.

This is textbook quid pro quo. The superior in a professional relationship must NEVER make sexual advances toward their subordinate/student/mentee because at best it's a violation of professional conduct and at worst it's sexual harassment. 

Making sexual advances in a position of power IS abuse, because it forces the victim into a dilemma where rejecting the advance may jeopardize their professional relationship. 

People who are sincerely attracted to each other would find a way to sever the superior/subordinate tie before starting a sexual/romantic relationship. 

 

Surely consenting relationships come out of these all the time though in different industries right?

What about when Gaga was dating Dada who was working for her?

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1 hour ago, Economy said:

I mostly agree with u exept when the ppl are directly under u i still find it highly unproffesional and yes borderline predatory given the power imbalance. Im not equating it to rape but i think its still inapropriate

 

Of course ppl in power can have sex with ppl who dont have power. It just doesnt have to be ppl directly under u tho

 

Again, this isnt some awful crime id seek to cancel him over but id still look down on it regardless

Oh, I agree. There is an added dynamic when you're sleeping with someone you are directly superior to. But if it's consensual, the 'inferior' party has made a decision to engage in the act. Now, some might argue that direct 'inferiority' (less power) renders that person unable to give true consent. I would disagree but I know it's nuanced.

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2 hours ago, Teletubby said:

Franco removed protective plastic guards covering other actresses’ vaginas while simulating o*** sex on them.

Katie Ryan, who met Franco at Playhouse West and took several classes at Studio 4, said the actor “would always make everybody think there were possible roles on the table if we were to perform sexual acts or take off our shirts" in his projects. She said that for years, she received mass email requests from Franco to audition for roles playing "a prostitute or a hooker."

Franco became angry when no women, while at the shoot, would agree to be topless.

https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-james-franco-allegations-20180111-htmlstory.html

Thanks. People are just taking him at his word that he was having consensual sex with his students and that was it -- unethical and problematic but maybe a grey area.

Of course he's not admitting to the really awful sh!t, but his behavior goes far beyond. It was very, very predatory. 

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2 hours ago, TSUNAMI said:

When someone is using their superior position that's a predatory behavior. 

THIS.

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2 hours ago, OMonster said:

Oh, I agree. There is an added dynamic when you're sleeping with someone you are directly superior to. But if it's consensual, the 'inferior' party has made a decision to engage in the act. Now, some might argue that direct 'inferiority' (less power) renders that person unable to give true consent. I would disagree but I know it's nuanced.

A person could be feel presured so it could potentially be consent given with reservations or fear of saying no and therefore not true consent.

 

That obviously isnt the case everytime but because its hard to tell and ppl could be put in an awkard position i definitely think proffessionally its best to always avoid

 

Not to mention it can be dangerous too. U can also get the extreme of the spectrum, ppl who didnt feel pressured at all and are jumping at the chance to try to get something out of it, could even try to black mail them after

 

Either way, its looked down on for a reason. I dont judge relationships with superiors anyway if i dont have all the individual facts but as a general rule i definitely dont endorse the idea

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Let me make one thing clear: a teacher should never put his hand on a student. No matter if the student is above eighteen, no matter if the sexual relationship is consensual. While I don’t want to talk too much about it, I’ve had firsthand experiences of someone taking advantage of their title on me and I’ve seen it happening to others. And this is not OK. And we can’t normalise it. Because if we do, more and more people will abuse this role of power. As a Social Worker (or someone who was working in the Social Care field) this is a number 1 rule, never have relationships with your clients, never do anything to your clients. You will be fired, reprimanded and prosecuted. And to see some people making comments like them wanting to do the same with him; I suggest that you go outside, touch some grass and to pray to God because you obviously need it.

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9 hours ago, Defmix100 said:

Surely consenting relationships come out of these all the time though in different industries right?

What about when Gaga was dating Dada who was working for her?

But Gaga and Dada were partners- they were not superior/subordinate. 

JFranco was the teacher/ trainer for a group of students. He was clearly abusing his power.  

This is not an equivalence. 

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8 hours ago, OMonster said:

Now, some might argue that direct 'inferiority' (less power) renders that person unable to give true consent. I would disagree but I know it's nuanced.

It really depends on if the person has legitimate fears of professional retaliation if they turned down a personal offer, yeah?

If the stories about him getting angry over women refusing sex roles are true then I think that swings the needle a bit farther towards him being predatory imo 'cause his students could have valid fears of backlash if they didn't consent.

That's a dynamic only those in their situation would truly be able to appreciate though.

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4 minutes ago, Serial Chiller said:

But Gaga and Dada were partners- they were not superior/subordinate. 

JFranco was the teacher/ trainer for a group of students. He was clearly abusing his power.  

This is not an equivalence. 

I thought Gaga would have been able to fire Dada but he couldn't fire her.

In Franco's case though it is abusing power, I'm asking about when it's a genuine mutual relationship but one person is at a higher level in a place of work, like in school my teacher got married to my head of year. Looking at your comment again you say the superior must never be the one making advances, so does it work if it's the subordinate making advances?

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51 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

I thought Gaga would have been able to fire Dada but he couldn't fire her.

In Franco's case though it is abusing power, I'm asking about when it's a genuine mutual relationship but one person is at a higher level in a place of work, like in school my teacher got married to my head of year. Looking at your comment again you say the superior must never be the one making advances, so does it work if it's the subordinate making advances?

Look. I get that people get attracted to each other no matter the circumstances. Some people are attracted sexually to their family for god sake. But as long as they are in that position, they cannot accept the advance, ESPECIALLY if it's coming from the subordinate.

Students marry their teachers. It happens. But if a relationship is taking place under an academic environment it is a violation. They can move forward once they're no longer teacher-student. 

Most reputable universities openly forbid professors to have relationship with their students (i Can't name one that doesnt) and for good measure. How can u ensure academic integrity and objectivity when they're your freaking spouse/gf/bf? 

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12 hours ago, TSUNAMI said:

When someone is using their superior position that's a predatory behavior. 

Wouldn't using their superior position be "if you don't do this, you will fail my class" though? It's absolutely unethical what he did, I agree, but also a lot of (young) people would willingly sleep with celebrities that they 'idolise' so it is hard to really know the full story of how much consent was actually given/felt etc. But ultimately it is still unethical and definitely predatory to look after your students ... But most straight men tend to have predatory behaviour towards women in general  (cat-calling, workplace harassment, even tinder harassment, etc.)

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At least he owns up to it, he’s always struck me as a sleaze bag 

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LOL at all the people in this thread who clearly did not read the actual victims' statements and are just taking Franco's word for what happened in his very abbreviated admission. Honestly, gross.

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13 hours ago, Kimmo said:

I mean rape is one thing

where does it say anywhere that he r worded them? typical ggd. even just throwing it out there in the circumstance its not even necessary.

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7 minutes ago, stvn said:

LOL at all the people in this thread who clearly did not read the actual victims' statements and are just taking Franco's word for what happened in his very abbreviated admission. Honestly, gross.

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