babyboo 965 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Fanta said: But that tells you exactly what you need to know. A basic white man in a dress will sell (yes, I know he has a dedicated fanbase), but an openly queer black man who is known for pushing the envelope when it comes to fashion will not sell. Didn't Anna Wintour say that when she chose K*m and K*nye for the Vogue cover she knew it was controversial but a representation of the times? Billy, even though I don't care for him, definitely made headlines for his red carpet fashions (which are iconic) and deserves a Vogue cover over Harry painting his nails occasionally and wearing a dress once. A basic white man in a dress won't sell if it's not Harry freaking Styles. The point is Vogue wants a big enough name for the cover star. If this is a recent cover I would say they'd go with Lil nas X instead (this cover was before lil nas' comeback). Billy, however 'deserving' thinks he is, is not a known enough name to be on the cover yet, and won't be as 'controversial' as Harry or Lil nas (since wearing a dress on the red carpet is what he is known for. It's not shocking anymore). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAsUnic0rn 2,098 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Bella Goth said: it's like stop toxic masculinity but when straight or whatever men embracing it y'all mad. so what battle are we fighting on here? That’s the issue with culture wars. they are not meant to be won, they don’t have a true purpose, an endgoal. They are solely meant to be fought just to make a point and to point a finger at the “enemy”, for the own benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micmaky 917 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, TSUNAMI said: I'm siding with Billy. Everyone saying that he's bitter and what not is right, he is bitter. He has every right to be. He even wrote down reasons why. And has EVERY ****ING RIGHT TO DO SO. Being queer is not easy and rarely str8 people will know the struggle of being a part of the LGBTQ no matter how much you want to stretch that spectrum. It's a disrespect FOR ALL of the LGBTQ people who sacrificed their lives for us to be where we are today. At least put a queer person on the cover and not some watered down version. How are you so sure Harry is totally straight though? He’s said quite a few times from a young age that he’s not putting a label on himself and alluded to liking boys too. Also, can only queer men wear dresses. What happened to breaking down gender norms? Would porter sell magazines the way a world famous pop star heartthrob would? Make it make sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flawless 2,234 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Totally on Billy's side and not surprised by some of you attacking him here. Harry Styles may have good intentions but he shouldn't be the representation of something he doesn't claim to be. and you guys comparing Bowie to Harry, lmao David did this decades ago, when this conversation wasn't even around. Now it's different, we have enough people who are vocally proud to be part of the community and can be the example. Harry isn't one of them. the scars on my mind are on replay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUJIfushiguro 224 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, BornAsUnic0rn said: That’s the issue with culture wars. they are not meant to be won, they don’t have a true purpose, an endgoal. They are solely meant to be fought just to make a point and to point a finger at the “enemy”, for the own benefit. THIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micmaky 917 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Flawless said: Totally on Billy's side and not surprised by some of you attacking him here. Harry Styles may have good intentions but he shouldn't be the representation of something he doesn't claim to be. and you guys comparing Bowie to Harry, lmao David did this decades ago, when this conversation wasn't even around. Now it's different, we have enough people who are vocally proud to be part of the community and can be the example. Harry isn't one of them. Vocally proud to be of what community? The community of dress wearers? Lots of younger straight men are breaking gender norms and wearing dresses. Look at Maneskin. Are you saying straight mean need to stick to their assigned gender roles and clothes? Cause if that’s what you are saying that’s pretty myopic and dismissive of the blurring of gender norms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flawless 2,234 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Glojuice said: Vocally proud to be of what community? The community of dress wearers? Lots of younger straight men are breaking gender norms and wearing dresses. Look at Maneskin. Are you saying straight mean need to stick to their assigned gender roles and clothes? Cause if that’s what you are saying that’s pretty myopic and dismissive of the blurring of gender norms. Not all. The norms can be broken by everybody, and good that's happening. But don't you think it's unfair to give the opportunity first to a straight man instead to give to someone who has been doing this for ages and suffering all the type of discrimination and repression? Harry just decided to put a dress (a ugly one tbh) and suddenly he is the savior, the icon or the representation. Billy is totally right to call out on Vogue for this the scars on my mind are on replay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micmaky 917 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Flawless said: Not all. The norms can be broken by everybody, and good that's happening. But don't you think it's unfair to give the opportunity first to a straight man instead to give to someone who has been doing this for ages and suffering all the type of discrimination and repression? Harry just decided to put a dress (a ugly one tbh) and suddenly he is the savior, the icon or the representation. Billy is totally right to call out on Vogue for this But where did Vogue say they were planning to make this iconic cover. It became iconic because Harry was on it not the other way round. Why does everything have to be a symbol of representation. Since Harry wore that dress more and more men have been wearing effeminate clothes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANVEEROY 61,241 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Umm, what I have understood here (including Billy)- a little learning is a dangerous thing. Stream Kylie-Janet Discographies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSUNAMI 21,021 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Glojuice said: How are you so sure Harry is totally straight though? He’s said quite a few times from a young age that he’s not putting a label on himself and alluded to liking boys too. Also, can only queer men wear dresses. What happened to breaking down gender norms? Would porter sell magazines the way a world famous pop star heartthrob would? Make it make sense Make it more sense? BILLY is the reason why HARRY can dress the way he is dressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micmaky 917 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, TSUNAMI said: Make it more sense? BILLY is the reason why HARRY can dress the way he is dressing. That’s a huge reach and I don’t even think that’s close to reality. You do realise that lots of famous men have worn dresses. You know why no one is talking about Pharell wearing a dress on the cover of GQ (a year before Harry), because Harry’s the bigger star. You think if Pharell can’t make the news, Porter would. Porter has been on a number of magazine covers so it’s not like Harry’s stealing all his covers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSUNAMI 21,021 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Glojuice said: That’s a huge reach and I don’t even think that’s close to reality. You do realise that lots of famous men have worn dresses. You know why no one is talking about Pharell wearing a dress on the cover of GQ (a year before Harry), because Harry’s the bigger star. You think if Pharell can’t make the news, Porter would. Porter has been on a number of magazine covers so it’s not like Harry’s stealing all his covers. You missed my point. It's not about Harry or Billy. It's about a correct representation of the values. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micmaky 917 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, TSUNAMI said: You missed my point. It's not about Harry or Billy. It's about a correct representation of the values. It’s a Vogue cover, it’s not a representation of values, you are making it about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,123 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 10:05 AM, elijahfan said: He helped open a door, nobody’s taking that away. If he really did care about the cause, he’d celebrate that Vogue cover. And yet, here he is, whining over the fact this wasn’t him in the spotlight. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I don't agree with him at all. A heterosexual cis man makes a much bigger impact wearing a dress, it's a much bigger F*you to the conventions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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