BUtterfield 8 41,818 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan 20,827 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 To kill a person this way, you would have to continue to apply pressure sufficient to strangulate for about 4–5 min in order to ensure death…probably longer in some cases. That is why it is one of the more horrible and harshly punished murders. It takes a long time to do. You have a minimum of 4–6 min to sit there quietly with the person unconscious squeezing with time to stop and reconsider. It’s not a trigger pull instant decision. It’s a process. You can’t argue self defense or heat of the moment with strangulation. You had a long time with the person utterly defenseless to stop and come to your senses as it were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Logan said: You have a minimum of 4–6 min to sit there quietly with the person unconscious squeezing with time to stop and reconsider. That was my immediate thought. I have no idea how someone can argue a case against this / defend someone, when the cause of death is something that takes so long and you have so much time to make the decision to stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 So the cops who pulled them over and could see marks of violence and the girl very upset crying, somehow they decide to let it slide without further investigation or at least keeping them apart? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatography 10,186 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Dennis said: So the cops who pulled them over and could see marks of violence and the girl very upset crying, somehow they decide to let it slide without further investigation or at least keeping them apart? i believe they kept them apart for the night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo 82,284 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dennis said: So the cops who pulled them over and could see marks of violence and the girl very upset crying, somehow they decide to let it slide without further investigation or at least keeping them apart? There’s so much cops can do if they both decided to not file charges on each other, the cops that handle the traffic stop were actually really helpful to her by keeping them away from each other for that day… I’ve seen the video and the cop talking to Gabby did an amazing job for the situation… Hottie Detector Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kimmo said: There’s so much cops can do if they both decided to not file charges on each other, the cops that handle the traffic stop were actually really helpful to her by keeping them away from each other for that day… I’ve seen the video and the cop talking to Gabby did an amazing job for the situation… No they did not. The call they got from a witness clearly specified that the guy "was slapping the girl". So the girl was in complete mental breakdown unable to even speak coherently. The first thing they could've done is seek medical help for her and call her family or emergency contacts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo 82,284 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Dennis said: No they did not. The call they got from a witness clearly specified that the guy "was slapping the girl". So the girl was in complete mental breakdown unable to even speak coherently. The first thing they could've done is seek medical help for her and call her family or emergency contacts. And the “girl that was slapped” decided to not press charges so what were the cops supposed to do honey? Hottie Detector Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kimmo said: And the “girl that was slapped” decided to not press charges so what were the cops supposed to do honey? You don't need to press charges in the U.S. If the cops believe there is probable cause that you have committed a crime, you can be arrested regardless of whether the victim wants to press charges in that moment or not. They don't need the victim's permission to do it. And again the least they could do is actually take her to a hospital, because she was clearly in distress. 911 call describing the van where the witness said the man was slapping the girl the girl visibly shaken marks of violence/scratches which could indicate self-defense and/or violence happening between the two You've got enough for probable cause there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkmanthaC 115,047 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 This is awful. I’ve been trying to follow what’s happened on this case. I hope they find the boyfriend so justice can be served. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachinko 10,755 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Where can I find a summary of this case? I feel like I have been living under a rock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holy Mayhem 3,672 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I’ve been following all this very closely. It breaks my heart. I hope he is found soon. ℭ𝔞𝔫 ℑ 𝔙𝔞𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔥 ℑ𝔫𝔱𝔬 𝔜𝔬𝔲 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkmanthaC 115,047 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, pachinko said: Where can I find a summary of this case? I feel like I have been living under a rock. You can Google her name and get lots of articles. There are also lots of podcasts on it. It’s a very famous case in the US right now. This should help to start. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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