Mass Stabbings In New Zealand Inspired By Daesh

[Chic 20,830]

50 minutes ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

My blood always start to boil when I read aomething like: "he was well known to security agencies and was being monitored"

Like... Get him behind bars if you someone is a danger to others? 

I've always hated this, I watch a lot of true crime videos and some of these higher up intelligence agencies and police departments tend to be pretty incompetent when it comes to putting criminals in prison, especially when they're known to be dangerous or involved in any way with people who are. They could at least stand to investigate a little more until they catch something before this **** happens, right? It certainly doesn't make these organizations look any better when they had prior knowledge of suspicious or criminal activity performed by these individuals and didn't follow up in a meaningful way or even work to confirm/deny what they suspect.

It feels like, what's even the point of having the info if it's not going to be utilized properly by those whose job it is to do that?

[Gagas lil monster 2,432]

Sending my love to @Helxig and all other New Zelanders as well as everyone impacted by this attack of course 

[AsleepOnTheCeiling 7,049]

23 minutes ago, Chic said:

I've always hated this, I watch a lot of true crime videos and some of these higher up intelligence agencies and police departments tend to be pretty incompetent when it comes to putting criminals in prison, especially when they're known to be dangerous or involved in any way with people who are. They could at least stand to investigate a little more until they catch something before this **** happens, right? It certainly doesn't make these organizations look any better when they had prior knowledge of suspicious or criminal activity performed by these individuals and didn't follow up in a meaningful way or even work to confirm/deny what they suspect.

It feels like, what's even the point of having the info if it's not going to be utilized properly by those whose job it is to do that?

I get it, but it's also hard to say what intelligence they had. If he was just in loose communication with some radicals or part of some weird Facebook (or whichever social media organization) group etc.. I think they responded well if something like this was the case and they didn't have evidence of concrete plans that this specific event would happen. Yes 6 people being injured is a lot, but the fact that they took him out within a minute is amazing. Imagine other countries where response times could be 5+ minutes. I can only imagine a part of the U.S. where law enforcement would be 5-10 minutes away and people would not move over in traffic for sirens prolonging response. 

 

However, still frightening that this could happen to anyone anywhere at any time. It's weird to think humans as a species are probably more safe than they have ever been in recorded history and we could be attacked at any moment unsuspectedly. 

[Helxig 45,813]

11 minutes ago, Gagas lil monster said:

Sending my love to @Helxig and all other New Zelanders as well as everyone impacted by this attack of course 

Tbh with the state of the world I'm a little numb to this kinda news now. It still feels weird knowing it happened just an hour and a half from my house, and that I always shop at Countdown supermarkets, but I'm not too shook.

I just feel really bad for all the people that are affected by these kinds of things. Those people in hospital will not only have physical scars if they survive, but also really deep mental scars. And all the witnesses

[iCpro 14,846]

1 hour ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

My blood always start to boil when I read aomething like: "he was well known to security agencies and was being monitored"

Like... Get him behind bars if you someone is a danger to others? 

Unfortunately they legally weren’t able to imprison him based on what they had/what he had previously done

1 hour ago, thatfoxyfeeling said:

So they were waiting for him to commit a crime basically, kinda messed up. 

It’s more like following him so they can intervene if he does do anything, which they were able to to, they shot him dead within 60 seconds of the attack starting

[flyaway 15,350]

2 hours ago, Teletubby said:

 She said the man was a Sri Lankan national who was inspired by the Islamic State group. She said he was well known to the nation’s security agencies and was being monitored around the clock.

 

They knew he was inspired by the Islamic State and that he was well known by the agencies, yet they let him stay in the country. 

[Not The Real Gaga 7,599]

3 hours ago, Dennis said:

You can't send people to jail unless you have evidence that they are preparing to commit a crime. You can't jail people based on suspicion alone, even if well-founded.

Than it should be able to. It's not like you and me, like normal people, are on the radar of security agencies. 

In my country, the government and police can lock up people with mental illness - without their consent - to prevent them from hurting themselves or others.

The same should be possible for criminals and terrorists.

[Dennis 8,391]

8 minutes ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

Than it should be able to. It's not like you and me, like normal people, are on the radar of security agencies. 

In my country, the government and police can lock up people with mental illness - without their consent - to prevent them from hurting themselves or others.

The same should be possible for criminals and terrorists.

Yeah let's just abandon due process I guess

[Not The Real Gaga 7,599]

1 hour ago, Dennis said:

Yeah let's just abandon due process I guess

We are talking about dangerous people that are already actively followed by security agencies. They should be stopped and locked up before it's too late (which happens much too often).

[Sarah H 4,480]

Awful. But I'm glad the only person who died was the attacker. I hope the others make a good recovery 

[TaylorSwift 164,249]

Terrorist responsible for Auckland supermarket stabbings named

The man who stabbed at least 5 people and insured another 2 in a terrorist attack in an Auckland shopping mall has been named as Ahamed Aathill Mohammad Samsudeen after a suppression order was lifted on Saturday night.

Charged several times with possession of knives and restricted publications, the man was closely watched by New Zealand’s counter-terrorism authorities for several years.

He  arrived in New Zealand in 2011 as a 22-year-old, travelling on a student visa. His refugee status was granted on December 20, 2013.

Police first started investigating him in March 2016 when he shared videos and pictures of graphic war-related violence, and comments advocating violent extremism. He also posted comments in support of terrorists involved in other attacks. 

He was warned by police in April and May 2016, and he apologised and closed down his social media account but reactivated it in the July, and in October 2016, police were again alerted to his postings of extreme and violent material.

He was arrested at Auckland airport in May 2017, under the suspicion he was headed to Syri. 
He told a person at an Auckland mosque he wanted to go to Syria “to fight for Isis”.

He was first sentenced to 12 months’ supervision in September 2018.
A month prior, he had been arrested for possession of a knife and possessing objectionable material - Isis propaganda.

His Google searches and computer bookmarks from July and August 2018 included: Islamic State dress, New Zealand prison clothes and food, improvised explosive devices, heroes of Isis and an Isis-issued booklet on how to avoid being detected by Western security.
At his latest trial in 2021, Samsudeen claimed his internet searches and videos were not evidence he supported Isis. Google searches of “Captive by the enemies of Allah” were only searched to check his spelling, he claimed.

He was on bail facing charges over the alleged assault of Corrections officers in June 2020, while on remand awaiting trial at Mt Eden Corrections Facility.

Despite his history of offending and repeated links to extremist Isis ideologies, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the only option open to police after he was granted bail was constant monitoring by specialist police teams.

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