Biden uses term “Latinx”

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2 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said:

I'm not sure I completely understand some of your first points you're making with the two-spirit thing (which is what I meant, not free-spirited as I originally put by mistake).

The point I was making with stating that is many indigenous cultures had three genders or recognized there was more than two genders and had terms for those. In this way, many Spanish-speaking people have reclaimed that by using terms like "Latinx" or "Latin@s" because they don't agree with your assessment that Latinos encompasses all genders and is inclusive of everyone. They see it as still gendered and defaulting to the masculine, which is the entire point for not using it for these people.

Also, the whole idea stemmed from Spanish-speaking people NOT white people, and in my experience it is indigenous Spanish-speaking people who use such terms.  In fact, I was first introduced to the term "Latinx"  by people who were Spanish-speaking and indigenous.

And their thought process and entire point was to de-gender Spanish because for many indigenous people they don't like or agree with the need to gender everything as Romance languages do.

It's not inherently a bad thing to do, languages literally change all the time and evolve with the times and how the people choose to speak their language. Like literally go read up on and research linguistics, how we speak English or how Spanish spoken today is entirely different from the way they were spoken 200 or even 100 years ago, it's literally how language works 

The idea that we can't change a language because it's "just how it is" is just nonsense and not even true whatsoever based on actual fact, reality, and history considering all languages constantly are changing. 

 

For the two spirited thing I’m saying it’s a whole completely different idea and form of identity which doesn’t mess with the language. 
 

The issue is why has “latinx” when “Latin” and “latine” are already gender neutral words. They created a third word that you not only can’t even say correctly in Spanish, but is redundant cuz gender natural terms already exist.

For me, I have bens to Mexico and to area in my hometown where there’s tribal land, my own family who is part of it, and many friends of mine who are also indigenous and Latin. They hate the word. They don’t use it and if you use it around them they’re gonna laugh. It’s not a commonly accepted word. There’s been many many polls about it from Latin Americans and even people in Latin countries who say they either never heard of the word or hate the word. Less than 5% use it and it’s dropping. 
 

also it’s not literally gendering anything. I’m pretty sure most people, like 99% of a people, don’t look at this and say “oh that’s masculine or feminine” solely based on the word for it in a Romance language. So what you’re saying is, take out the gendered parts, completely flip an entire language that has been spoken for decades, and make everyone who knows the language relearn it? Or just one word. Because even then it creates issues with how to speak.

The issue is no one is changing it for the better. It’s not being changed to make it easier or more inclusive when there’s already inclusive terms that are in the language. It’s ridiculous. Might as well reform every other language while we’re at it right? 

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1 hour ago, Gaga2645 said:

As a hispanic I don’t understand why people are against it when Spanish is a colonizer language to begin with. I see it written off as white people trying to add things into the language, But if i remember correctly I believe it comes from a group of indigenous hispanics that used “X” in place of generalizing people as masculine out of belief of the a third gender/people who could “move between genders” (literally just transfolk, this belief is from years and years ago)

Most hispanic transpeople (EYE have seen at least) like the term Latinx

Can i get a source on that please? I far as i know, it is not an indigenous invention. It is a Chicano invention- there’s quite a difference. 

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What a mess coming up with terms and all that stuff. Why are people offended about the word Latinx? If anything, the X is being used on some words and even non binary people because “Them” in spanish also have male and female gender. I mean none of this is official but it’s more like a slang. Anyway I’m too lazy to get into this conversation. 
 

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2 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

I saw that you read my every comment and had mostly constructive response the other 3 times you quoted me so I'm not sure why you suddenly chose to disregard all of that and claim that I was somehow trying to dictate how people should speak in Spanish. I repeatedly said that it seems to be an English term for English language.

I stopped the discussion when another member said that this has been adopted by their Spanish speaking friends as well, as I had nothing to say about how people should speak in Spanish.

I do still think that people mostly use this as an excuse to push anti inclusive agenda even if it's not you specifically. I also personally like the alternatives that have been suggested in this thread, Latin and Latine.

I have fully constructed ones about the last posts but this was because you’re saying “people are tranphobic and this and this and that” which seems like an annoying low blow anyone tries to use to prevent us from talking about our language on places like Twitter. “Oh you’re just transphobic” like no sis.

99% of people don’t care about inclusivity when it comes to the term, most people are for inclusivity, but just do it within the frame of the language. Latin and latine like you said are already inclusive. Why add a word that you can’t even say in the language? It makes no sense. 

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2 minutes ago, Fan Favorite said:

Can i get a source on that please? I far as i know, it is not an indigenous invention. It is a Chicano invention- there’s quite a difference. 

It’s not a chicano invention either. It came from the feminist movement in the 70’s where they would cross out masculine terms with x like womxn and Latinx.

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1 minute ago, Anderson123 said:

What a mess coming up with terms and all that stuff. Why are people offended about the word Latinx? If anything, the X is being used on some words and even non binary people because “Them” in spanish also have male and female gender. I mean none of this is official but it’s more like a slang. Anyway I’m too lazy to get into this conversation. 
 

People are trying to push for it replace Latino/Latina, trying to make it a dictionary defined word, and also Latin/Latine is already gender neutral.

 

you also can’t even say Latinx in Spanish either so  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

Just wanted to let ya know. I have nothing else to do rn so I’m putting my combat boots on lol

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1 minute ago, VenusHooker said:

The point here is that there is no problem with the word LATINOS. And it doesn't have to be changed. I repeat and in case you didn't understand: It's latinos, not latinx, most of us latinos don't like that term with the x at the end, it's offensive. The word LATINOS already includes all sexual orientations, genders, etc. You should learn a little about Spanish grammar. And from what I read, you're not even Latino, so you shouldn't be telling us how to use our language. That's a very American attitude on your part, wanting to impose on others how to speak and how to behave. Respect other people's cultures, traditions and languages. 

Hold up, this is an adult conversation we’re having. Let’s keep it courteous.

 

8 minutes ago, ProfessionalClown said:

”Latin” isn’t gendered dude. Jorge is Latin, sally is Latin. Greg is gender fluid and Latin, Jenny is intersex and also Latin. It’s not a hard concept to use a word you already know for what it’s meant for 

Also the “well I know many” invalidates the millions who hate it lmao. Most people in Mexico and other countries hate it, a lot of people here hate it, it’s mainly whitewashed Latin Americans who use it and white performative activists who could care less about our struggles as POC’s but wanna change our language 

 

also using Latinx makes it hard af to talk because most of the language is gendered so you gotta do mental gymnastics to not use words that are gendered, which is like 70% of the language 

FYI, you aren’t using the term “Latin” correctly as it refers to the classical language, not a people. I can’t say that I appreciate you’re remarks on “only white washed” Latinx people use the term. You’re, in turn, contradicting yourself about “invalidation”.  As someone who uses latinx on a day to day basis it’s not “mental gymnastics”, but I can understand how it may be an issue…

 

min tired of people automatically referring to politically correct Latinx Americans. News flash, misogyny, machismo, gender stereotypes, racism, and homophobia are deeply engrained into our culture. 

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2 hours ago, Gaga2645 said:

As a hispanic I don’t understand why people are against it when Spanish is a colonizer language to begin with. I see it written off as white people trying to add things into the language, But if i remember correctly I believe it comes from a group of indigenous hispanics that used “X” in place of generalizing people as masculine out of belief of the a third gender/people who could “move between genders” (literally just transfolk, this belief is from years and years ago)

Most hispanic transpeople (EYE have seen at least) like the term Latinx

It didn’t come from indigenous Hispanics lmao. It first came from the 70’s within the feminist movement where they crossed out masculine parts of words like womxn and latinx instead of woman and Latino. 
 

latin and latine is literally gender neutral for every single person under the gender spectrum. There’s no gendering in those two terms at all. It makes no sense.

as someone who is both Mexican and stove American with friends who are native to Mexico and also are both indigenous Mexicans, nobody likes the term. At all. 

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7 minutes ago, VenusHooker said:

The point here is that there is no problem with the word LATINOS. And it doesn't have to be changed. I repeat and in case you didn't understand: It's latinos, not latinx, most of us latinos don't like that term with the x at the end, it's offensive. The word LATINOS already includes all sexual orientations, genders, etc. You should learn a little about Spanish grammar. And from what I read, you're not even Latino, so you shouldn't be telling us how to use our language. That's a very American attitude on your part, wanting to impose on others how to speak and how to behave. Respect other people's cultures, traditions and languages. 

Lmaooo it's not offensive. I know many Latinos who use and prefer Latinx, which itself proves you're wrong.

What's offensive is refusing to respect or acknowledge that not everyone who speaks your language or of your background agrees with you or sees it how you do.

Every language, Spanish included, has changed and evolved over time, so there's nothing inherently wrong with different uses or terms coming into use.

It's basic linguistics and reality of language

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14 minutes ago, Jose P said:

The one that’s most commonly used is adding the suffix -e. So pronouns will be elle, elles. If you want to neutralize a word, you say for example novio/novia/novie. That’s the one that’s used the most and you can actually pronounce it with no problem. For example I’ve been watching Drag Race Spain and one of the non-binary queens uses those pronouns. Ofc there’s also using the @ which has been around for a long time, but that’s for written form.

I think the e at the end is a great alternative and does make sense when it comes to pronouns! Latine would be a lot easier to use in daily conversation as well as written form! Thanks for the info and the courteous response!

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3 minutes ago, Grigio Guy said:

Hold up, this is an adult conversation we’re having. Let’s keep it courteous.

 

Stop defending the indefensible. 

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Just now, Grigio Guy said:

Hold up, this is an adult conversation we’re having. Let’s keep it courteous.

 

FYI, you aren’t using the term “Latin” correctly as it refers to the classical language, not a people. I can’t say that I appreciate you’re remarks on “only white washed” Latinx people use the term. You’re, in turn, contradicting yourself about “invalidation”.  As someone who uses latinx on a day to day basis it’s not “mental gymnastics”, but I can understand how it may be an issue…

 

min tired of people automatically referring to politically correct Latinx Americans. News flash, misogyny, machismo, gender stereotypes, racism, and homophobia are deeply engrained into our culture. 

Pleaseee. You can be Latin as in a shortened version of “of Latin descent”. It’s calling having double meaning sis, it’s not hard.

Also how am I completely contradicting myself lmao. Most Mexicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, etc don’t even know the word or despise the word. Millions of people don’t like it and the very small minority do. Let’s not change and entire language and the language structure for people who wanna create a redundant term for no reason. There’s other words to use that are inclusive already. 

I do agree a lot of horrible sh!t is engrained into our culture but Latinx ain’t gonna do anything to fix that lmao. It’s something even a lot of liberal Latin people don’t like. I don’t like it and I’m DEFINITELY not a right winger lmao.
 

Also that GIF wasn’t really the serve you thought it was but okay.

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3 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said:

Lmaooo it's not offensive. I know many Latinos who use and prefer Latinx, which itself proves you're wrong.

What's offensive is refusing to respect or acknowledge that not everyone who speaks your language or of your background agrees with you or sees it how you do.

Every language, Spanish included, has changed and evolved over time, so there's nothing inherently wrong with different uses or terms coming into use.

It's basic linguistics and reality of language

"I know many latinos..."  Americans being Americans 

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4 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said:

Lmaooo it's not offensive. I know many Latinos who use and prefer Latinx, which itself proves you're wrong.

What's offensive is refusing to respect or acknowledge that not everyone who speaks your language or of your background agrees with you or sees it how you do.

Every language, Spanish included, has changed and evolved over time, so there's nothing inherently wrong with different uses or terms coming into use.

It's basic linguistics and reality of language

“Oh yeah I know 5-6 people who use it so it’s not offensive Omg” is such a horrible example lmao. You seriously have no idea what you’re taking about.

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1 minute ago, VenusHooker said:

"I know many latinos..."  Americans being Americans 

As someone who lives in America, everyone here thinks they’re the center of the world