I don’t agree with Born This Way

[SevenWonder 4,308]

It's great that we can now ruminate on whether the choice of sexual orientation as relevant or not, but it wasn't always that way. Not that long ago, the right used the notion of "choice" as a weapon against gay rights. It was our weakness of thought and "choice" that made us corruptible, sinful, evil, etc. 

Gaga's BTW resonated with the entire world because it was a fun, poppy song where she screamed to the world that our own power is innate and perfect and we get to claim it by merely existing and being true to our nature. To how we were born. 

So I get what you're saying, but I like Born This Way just the way it is!

[enissa11 2,984]

you really skipped the manifesto of mother moster... she twisted the famous mantra of born this way from the original song and back it up with a poetic and philosophical view on what even mean to be born, she questions birth as something finite.

[Prostitute Barbie 4,077]

I can’t speak to all the science but Chose This Way just doesn’t roll off the tongue quite the same way does it 

[Bonkers 29,478]

The song doesn't have to be 100% accurate. It was about phrasing it in a way that spoke to religious people who are obsessed with two things:  gays & abortion.  (Abortion has nothing to do with this, it's just the other thing enemies of the gays are obsessed with)

And I think even though certain things can be fluid, it's accurate enough.  Most LGBTQ people *are* born that way.

[vixdean 1,061]

And of course all of us can feel we have been gay, bi, etc. all our lives. That’s a reality - a lot of us do. But it’s not because of genes, but for cultural, social and historical factors that determine and make up our identities from the moment we are born.

BTW message is a powerful one nevertheless, and serves it’s empowering  purpose well, altough simplistically. It comes from a good place of celebrating our diversity, and it’s not meant to be taken as a scientific study or 100% accurate (as others have noted).

 

[GooberChill 456]

I’m not a genders or sexuality professional, but from personal experience I’ve learned I’ve been attracted to men my entire life. As I’ve gotten older I’ve definitely become more queer/pan and have hooked up with men, women, and non-binary ppl. Sexuality is a beautiful spectrum. I now really only identify as a gay non-binary person because it was feels like home. I was born queer I believe, not exactly gay or bi or straight, just in this little rainbow spectrum of butts and bananas

[RAMROD 109,194]

You should have sat there and eat your food, @GeeYewWhai, nobody asking.

 

But as of now!

ELECTRIC CHAIR!!

 

[Just A Holy Fool 2,550]

I knew it... playing with barbies made me gay...

I know that wasn't your intent, but that's more or less what you are saying. 

[Angelina Stefania 427]

You just don't get the complete over arching concept and meaning of what Gaga is saying when she says BORN THIS WAY. She is saying I am who I am who I am and you can't change me, I don't give any f*cks if you don't like me.

[PEZ 6,227]

Well, if you don't agree with it, then I guess I'd ask, what changes would you like to see made? To make it more to your ideal, what would you want to have happen (realistic scenarios or not) -- lyrics changed, lyrics cut or added? To be retitled, and to what? To no longer be performed, to not have been recorded in the first place? Or what? Otherwise it reads like pointing out what you perceive as problems but no possible resolutions to them.

[HausOfAntonio 8,021]

Missed the point good sis. BTW is a statement against repressing social norms. Its a battle cry for our right to exist in ever multiplying identities - to be Re-Born This Way as many times as we want without feeling the constraints a society that is against identity as something much bigger and more fluid than we know it. Born This Way is anti-essentialist. It proposes that it doesn’t matter how we were born, its our prerogative to conceive our destinies as we so choose. 
 

[pussycat 3,514]

15 minutes ago, vixdean said:

And sexuality is socially and culturally constructed. We are not born gay, bi

Omg guys lets all go to conversion camp then!!! there’s still hope!!!

 
can’t believe i’m actually reading that here tbh 

[Butters Stotch 5,364]

19 minutes ago, AndiGaga said:

I disagree. I was never straight. I was born this way. Genetically

This, like I've known this my whole life. I remember being like 5 and feeling a certain attraction to men, and feeling different.

[GeeYewWhai 2,382]

Just now, Just A Holy Fool said:

I knew it... playing with barbies made me gay...

I know that wasn't your intent, but that's more or less what you are saying. 

 No what I’m saying is that being gay is more than just your genes. You went straight to the negative, You automatically went the pedo route and that’s on you. Your sexuality is influenced by a plethora of things both negative and positive but that doesn’t delegitimize one’s sexuality. It’s like how someone might be more inclined to enjoy nature if you were brought up in a more outdoor type household.

 

is it so hard to imagine a world where things aren’t predestined for us?

[enissa11 2,984]

6 minutes ago, vixdean said:

And of course all of us can feel we have been gay, bi, etc. all our lives. That’s a reality - a lot of us do. But it’s not because of genes, but for cultural, social and historical factors that determine and make up our identities from the moment we are born.

BTW message is a powerful one nevertheless, and serves it’s empowering  purpose well, altough simplistically. It comes from a good place of celebrating our diversity, and it’s not meant to be taken as a scientific study or 100% accurate (as others have noted).

 

omg born this way is everything but simplistic...