The Grammys putting Beyoncé in a box

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Most artists who don't write their own songs don't win Grammys, though. The only exception I can think of is Britney's sole Grammy for Womanizer and some Rihanna wins. And of course, a lot of singers from the pre-70's era, when singers sang and writers wrote for them. But things are different now. I can't remember the last time a singer who was notable for not writing their own material not only won an award but won big. The Grammys favour songwriters, this has been proven over and over, particularly when it comes to who wins AOTY. That's why the super-produced mainstream pop albums that have a whole host of credits rarely ever win. This was also offered up as a potential reason why Lemonade didn't win as we're well aware by now that Beyonce uses songwriting camps and is known to change one word of a song to get writing credits or even gets credit from putting in some riffing or ad-libs. That certainly doth not a songwriter make and it doesn't win much respect from music experts. Which is why her list of wins is quite extraordinary in this day and age and we wonder why she's the one big exception to the rule.

My thoughts, I couldnt agree more with what you just said.

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On 3/16/2021 at 8:07 AM, E Z said:

AOTY recipients in the last decade:

2020 - Taylor Swift

2019 - Billie Eilish

2018 - Kacey Musgraves

2017 - Bruno Mars 

2016 - Adele

2015 - Taylor Swift 

2014 - Beck 

2013 - Daft Punk 

2012 - Mumford & Sons 

2011 - Adele

2010 - Arcade Fire 

Never actually noticed this before  2016 defo should’ve been Bey at least

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On 3/16/2021 at 9:23 AM, littlepotter said:

At least she has one, Gaga has 0... poor italian americans

to be fair, in no matchup would I give Gaga an AOTY. She has many great albums, yes, but most are somewhat flawed. 

The Fame is lyrically weak at points. Born This Way has some fillers and confusing thematic points. ARTPOP (my love) is,...ye ARTPOP. Joanne is somewhat basic. And

 

Her only arguably “deserving” albums are TFM and Chromatica. And the latter was released in the year with obvious frontrunners like folklore and FN + more lyrically masterful records like HAIM’sz

 

So TFM. Yeah this MIGHT be the one record you could argue she deserved AOTY for. It’s clearly the most thematically cohesive. It has some of her best songs (including her most recognizable, Bad Romance). But..it was against big competitors. I mean, Teenage Dream was pop perfection. Recovery was the start of Eminem’s 2010s comeback. 

 

 

So with only 6 records to seriously consider (ASIB and C2C would be weird noms), and 3 of them glaringly not contenders (TF, AP, Joanne) we don’t need to be shocked Gaga hasn’t won it.

 

Trust me, in due time she’ll have a legit “stripped back” moment (without even trying the pop antics with a Dancin in Circles or Hair Body Face), and will deliver the NFR/folklore of her career. 

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On 3/16/2021 at 7:41 AM, Lucas said:

I don't want to sound rude but this is kinda typical of Beyoncé fans...

In the same post you say she broke record and you say the Grammy's are racists 

two things can be true at once.

of course, it’s great that they award a black woman so much. that said, it’s true that they have sidelined her in major categories.

black artists often get pushed into the urban/r&b categories, even when their work is not that genre (i.e blinding lights being nominated for r&b video at the VMAs despite fully being a synth pop song)

these things are complex and there’s some nuance to it

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7 hours ago, President Biden said:

to be fair, in no matchup would I give Gaga an AOTY. She has many great albums, yes, but most are somewhat flawed. 

The Fame is lyrically weak at points. Born This Way has some fillers and confusing thematic points. ARTPOP (my love) is,...ye ARTPOP. Joanne is somewhat basic. And

 

Her only arguably “deserving” albums are TFM and Chromatica. And the latter was released in the year with obvious frontrunners like folklore and FN + more lyrically masterful records like HAIM’sz

 

So TFM. Yeah this MIGHT be the one record you could argue she deserved AOTY for. It’s clearly the most thematically cohesive. It has some of her best songs (including her most recognizable, Bad Romance). But..it was against big competitors. I mean, Teenage Dream was pop perfection. Recovery was the start of Eminem’s 2010s comeback. 

 

 

So with only 6 records to seriously consider (ASIB and C2C would be weird noms), and 3 of them glaringly not contenders (TF, AP, Joanne) we don’t need to be shocked Gaga hasn’t won it.

 

Trust me, in due time she’ll have a legit “stripped back” moment (without even trying the pop antics with a Dancin in Circles or Hair Body Face), and will deliver the NFR/folklore of her career. 

Yeah TFM definitely deserved to win over Arcade Fire... it's clear which one is more remembered today. And you're forgetting the big categories also include song and record of the year. Bad Romance easily deserved, so did Shallow, Poker Face

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The woman’s work ethic and talent speaks for itself. There’s a reason she’s so highly respected. 

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On 3/16/2021 at 8:41 AM, Lucas said:

In the same post you say she broke record and you say the Grammy's are racists 

Grammy's awarding black artists yet still making a glass ceiling for them, even for their very favorite ones, don't seem racist to you? Nothing adversarial in the OP comment.

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since y’all love to discredit the work of black women, here is a list of Beyoncé’s 196 writing credits:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Beyoncé

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On 3/16/2021 at 10:47 AM, E Z said:

The United States (and much of Latin America) was founded on a system that relied on the idea of race and hierarchical racial classes.  Are you European? Maybe this isn’t a problem for you, but this is the reality of the Americas. It’s the reason the United States, despite being the most wealthy country on earth, can’t have standard social programs that exist in most European countries. 

Printing money that you don't have and having trillions in debts are definitely not what I would use to define the wealthiest country in the world 

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the fact alone that she has 28 awards but only ONE in the major categories should raise a few eyebrows here and there

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Beyonce is the most overrated artist alive 
I cant her... 

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I dont think her music is that good, for any big award...i don't remember what is the last song i like from her...but thats just my opinion....all these awards means nothing in the end...I'd rather want Gaga to have huge hits that will be remembered for years, rather than winning awards for a song that no one will remember after a year

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On 3/16/2021 at 12:41 AM, Lucas said:

I don't want to sound rude but this is kinda typical of Beyoncé fans...

In the same post you say she broke record and you say the Grammy's are racists 

You are missing the point.

The point is the Grammys rarely nominate her in the main categories & she's never won an AOTY. This happens to a ton of Black artists and Latin artists, while white artists with less critical acclaim often sweep the main categories. No one is saying the Grammys don't award Black artists, they are saying the Grammys try to shoehorn Black artists into certain categories while not awarding them in the main categories. That, in itself, is racist.

A good example is Billie Eilish's Bad Guy versus Lizzo's Truth Hurts. Billie had the bigger album, but Lizzo's album has a near identical metacritic score and still sold extremely well. As far the two songs, Truth Hurts was undeniably MUCH bigger in the US in terms of the charts. Last, but not least, both songs received critical acclaim and Truth Hurts arguably received more critical acclaim...and Lizzo, like it or not, is objectively a better vocalist than Billie. And yet Billie won and swept all the main categories while Lizzo didn't win any of her awards in the main categories. There are many more examples...if this was rare, it'd be one thing, but it's not.

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1 hour ago, spasticdoll said:

since y’all love to discredit the work of black women, here is a list of Beyoncé’s 196 writing credits:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Beyoncé

Honestly, I love Bey and I think she's been screwed over by the Grammys more times than one can count...but her writing credits (and the drama around them) have little to do with it imo. There are tons of artists who are in a similar boat or have had writing "controversies." She gets shoehorned in by the racist Academy because she's Black and her music is considered "Black" music by many of the Academy members, not because of writing credits imo.

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30 minutes ago, rafamaia said:

the fact alone that she has 28 awards but only ONE in the major categories should raise a few eyebrows here and there

Yup, it's very suspect.