New Jersey allowing smokers to get vaccinated, without proof.

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2 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

They aren't wrong though, addiction is an illness and you can't strong-arm it. 

I already recognized that in multiple posts, but asthma is also an illness and one I was born with.

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35 minutes ago, weed said:

If it says "no proof needed" can't anyone say they're a smoker?

Yes but that's true for most pre-existing conditions. Hospitals aren't going to cross check all your health data to make sure you actually have asthma, assuming they even have access to it in the first place. Most of the hospitals that people are getting it at they've never been to.

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1 minute ago, Agunimon said:

I already recognized that in multiple posts, but asthma is also an illness and one I was born with.

Congrats? You get it before 60-70% of the population, I don't see how moving you up a few percent changes much.

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9 minutes ago, RichAssPiss said:

This is a trash opinion not unlike those used against gay men with AIDS in the early crisis, claiming it was their fault and they did not deserve treatment, care, and compassion. 

Nowhere did I say that they don't deserve treatment or the vaccine.

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4 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Congrats? You get it before 60-70% of the population, I don't see how moving you up a few percent changes much.

And yet somehow, since I am voicing my anger at this decision that I've been affected by and hits close to home for me based on my family life, I am the hateful one?

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@Agunimon @Helxig

You all really don't get it, huh? The vaccine rollout plan isn't designed to reinforce your biases or make you feel like "justice" is being served.

This is about public health. The Center of Disease Control and Prevention has put out specific guidance that the vaccine rollout achieves three goals:

(1) Decrease COVID-19 deaths and serious disease

(2) Preserve functioning of society 

(3) Reduce the extra burden COVID-19 is having on people already facing disparities

Vaccinating people from this virus who are at high risk of severe illness, regardless of whether is genetic, behavioral, or occupational, IS THE TOP PRIORITY! Our hospitals are full capacity all over and they're literally being forced into providing triage care for EVERYONE. That means if you burn or cut yourself or are having a heart attack and have to rush to the ER, doctors and nurses can only do the minimum possible things to save your life before they have to rush onto the next patient. 

We HAVE to stop that, and that means vaccinating the people most vulnerable to severe illness. Otherwise we will continue to have a complete collapse of society (lockdown!) because we cannot afford to operate our healthcare system like that. 

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meanwhile we have celebrities like Dua Lipa who are on instagram flaunting smoking to their young fans and yet you all blame them for getting addicted...

 

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3 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

@Agunimon @Helxig

You all really don't get it, huh? The vaccine rollout plan isn't designed to reinforce your biases or make you feel like "justice" is being served.

This is about public health. The Center of Disease Control and Prevention has put out specific guidance that the vaccine rollout achieves three goals:

(1) Decrease COVID-19 deaths and serious disease

(2) Preserve functioning of society 

(3) Reduce the extra burden COVID-19 is having on people already facing disparities

Vaccinating people from this virus who are at high risk of severe illness, regardless of whether is genetic, behavioral, or occupational, IS THE TOP PRIORITY! Our hospitals are full capacity all over and they're literally being forced into providing triage care for EVERYONE. That means if you burn or cut yourself or are having a heart attack and have to rush to the ER, doctors and nurses can only do the minimum possible things to save your life before they have to rush onto the next patient. 

We HAVE to stop that, and that means vaccinating the people most vulnerable to severe illness. Otherwise we will continue to have a complete collapse of society (lockdown!) because we cannot afford to operate our healthcare system like that. 

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meanwhile we have celebrities like Dua Lipa who are on instagram flaunting smoking to their young fans and yet you all blame them for getting addicted...

 

I do understand this, despite what my posts read. I still can't help but feel the way that I do, which is why my posts are written as they are.

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2 minutes ago, Agunimon said:

I do understand this, despite what my posts read. I still can't help but feel the way that I do, which is why my posts are written as they are.

Try to remain compassionate and kind. We're quite literally all going through the same thing. 

But we owe it to frontline workers to do as much as we can to stop sending severely ill people to the hospital, which is why smokers, and people who are overweight and obese, must be prioritized when it comes to vaccination. 

Asthma is pretty far down the list as COVID-19 comorbidity goes. Up until mid-fall 2019, the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America was saying that asthma was not in anyway a COVID-19 comorbidity.

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From their website: "Data show no increased risk of COVID-19 infection or severity of COVID-19 disease in people with asthma. The CDC does list moderate-to-severe asthma as a possible risk factor for severe COVID-19 disease, but there are no published data to support that at this time.

 

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Just now, MJHolland said:

Try to remain compassionate and kind. We're quite literally all going through the same thing. 

But we owe it to frontline workers to do as much as we can to stop sending severely ill people to the hospital, which is why smokers, and people who are overweight and obese, must be prioritized when it comes to vaccination. 

Asthma is pretty far down the list as COVID-19 comorbidity goes. Up until mid-fall 2019, the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America was saying that asthma was not in anyway a COVID-19 comorbidity.

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From their website: "Data show no increased risk of COVID-19 infection or severity of COVID-19 disease in people with asthma. The CDC does list moderate-to-severe asthma as a possible risk factor for severe COVID-19 disease, but there are no published data to support that at this time.

 

Thank you. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to reply in the manner you did without calling me anything or accusing me of being something I am not just because this one thing made me upset.

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2 minutes ago, Agunimon said:

Thank you. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to reply in the manner you did without calling me anything or accusing me of being something I am not just because this one thing made me upset.

Yw

But I am actively cross referencing this thread for people being anti-public health (i.e. vaccinating smokers) and people who defended Dua for promoting smoking cigs on IG this week 

Mama feeling petty tonight henny 

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dw I found your posts and you didn't defend her 

 

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3 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Yw

But I am actively cross referencing this thread for people being anti-public health (i.e. vaccinating smokers) and people who defended Dua for promoting smoking cigs on IG this week 

Mama feeling petty tonight henny 

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dw I found your posts and you didn't defend her 

 

I never said smokers should not be vaccinated. I just expressed my frustration in their priority compared to specifically asthma which affects me, but also a multitude of other diseases that I didn't mention.

The full list is: moderate to severe asthma, cerebrovascular disease, cystic fibrosis, hypertension or high blood pressure, people in an immunocompromised state from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines, neurologic conditions such as dementia, liver disease, those who are overweight, with pulmonary fibrosis, thalassemia (a type of blood disorder) and Type 1 diabetes. This list is specific to New Jersey, though. In addition, public transportation workers and food service.

This thread was mostly because I spend a lot of time here and I was angry and needed somewhere to talk about this.

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1 hour ago, RAMROD said:

 

Until you realized you already been cut off anyway evwn bwfore this by people with previleged access. Do you know there are many of people of productive age with wealthy parents or wealthy themselves already getting vaccinated also? Why do you think these vaccines running out quickly?

Idk where you live (Germany?) but my state is literally threatening to take away the medical licenses of doctors caught doing this. Same as in New York and California. This isn't happening (yet?) in the United States.

We're also not really running out of vaccines here yet. Our rollout logistics have been SH!T. We have millions of doses going unused bc states were not prepared to administer them, and many doses are even being thrown away. 

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I can see how you would be upset coming from your situation and especially with suffering asthma as well. I had asthma when I was little (I grew out of it) and I know how scary it is

Thankfully many smokers are more polite and caring than your family and they'll go outside and stuff when they're around non-smokers, and a lot of them do want to quit as well but it's very hard to do

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1 hour ago, Agunimon said:

I don't know where I personally stand on that. A lot of eating habits are taught (or rather, not taught) by the parents. I knew a few obese children growing up that never managed to lose the weight to get out of that obese level. Some parents use food as a way to get their kids to shut up, with no thought as to the nutrition or the calories they are consuming. My sister isn't obese, but she is very overweight because my dad just has no understanding. She is very unhappy about it as well.

You can say the same for smoking  my grandparents and a couple of my friends all started smoking 'cause their parents did. Either they snuck cigarettes away or they were directly permitted to smoke.

I have a friend that started smoking at 7 because her mom shared with her daughters 

Just be glad people are getting the vaccine tbh. I decided not to get too bothered with whose arm the vaccine is going into. As long as someone is getting it then we're on the right path.

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Just now, Agunimon said:

I never said smokers should not be vaccinated. I just expressed my frustration in their priority compared to specifically asthma which affects me, but also a multitude of other diseases that I didn't mention.

The full list is: moderate to severe asthma, cerebrovascular disease, cystic fibrosis, hypertension or high blood pressure, people in an immunocompromised state from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines, neurologic conditions such as dementia, liver disease, those who are overweight, with pulmonary fibrosis, thalassemia (a type of blood disorder) and Type 1 diabetes. In addition, public transportation workers and food service.

This thread was mostly because I spend a lot of time here and I was angry and needed somewhere to talk about this.

But priority isn't based on what feels "just". It's about who is more likely to get more sick and go to the already overwhelmed ER (which is why we have lockdowns btw!).

Almost all the data shows that people who smoke are more likely to develop severe illness than those with asthma. The evidence that asthma is a COVID-19 comorbidity is really very minimal. 

It's just what makes sense in this moment. Please don't try to make yourself feel better by putting others down, including smokers.