Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jill said: This is the textbook definition of a false or misleading statement Difficult to quantify education and healthcare quality ??? Therefore, the addition 'drain' on the the people is justified how? like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Woolfsmck said: Difficult to quantify education and healthcare quality ??? Therefore, the addition 'drain' on the the people is justified how? I don't know what you're talking about but do mention one state when the taxes are low (by what standards?) and the level of education is high (again, by what standards?) Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, PartySick said: Many members here are part of the "eat the rich" party including myself Rich people are the biggest leeches on our society, no question. Low wages, high prices, lower general tax revenue, lobbying to cut regulations that protect workers' rights and the environment...I have no trouble saying f*ck 'em all That's what I'm leaning on here... Liberal only sources won't give you an accurate view of things.. neither will Conservative leaning media... 'News' has become political battlefield to get your side elected ... That's why I stick with independent and moderate positions and watch little T.V. journalism. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Jill said: I don't know what you're talking about but do mention one state when the taxes are low (by what standards?) and the level of education is high (again, by what standards?) Exactly .... so the constant 'increasing' of taxes hasn't benefited anyone but the political leaders imo. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Woolfsmck said: Exactly .... so the constant 'increasing' of taxes hasn't benefited anyone but the political leaders imo. What? Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, Jill said: Are you on crack? If your not interested in debating the topic .. please don't post in this thread... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Woolfsmck said: If your not interested in debating the topic .. please don't post in this thread... I literally do not understand what you're talking about Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jill said: I literally do not understand what you're talking about Higher taxes rates do not equal better education or healthcare .. so... how is it justified to continually 'increase' taxes if there is no actual benefit to the general economy? Many states provide quality services without nearly the same rates that Califorinia has.. Clear ? like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, Woolfsmck said: Higher taxes rates do not equal better education or healthcare .. so... how is it justified to continually 'increase' taxes if there is no actual benefit to the general economy? Many states provide quality services with nearly the same rates that Califorinia does.. Clear ? My point is the opposite, that's why I asked you to name one single state in which the taxes are 'low' and the level of education is 'high', and to clarify by which standards are you judging the 'highness' or 'lowness' of these two things. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Jill said: My point is the opposite, that's why I asked you to name one single state in which the taxes are 'low' and the level of education is 'high', and to clarify by which standards are you judging the 'highness' or 'lowness' of these two things. I don't know how to look that up... Can you show me where high tax rates correlates to higher quality healthcare and education? like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,507 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Woolfsmck said: That's what I'm leaning on here... Liberal only sources won't give you an accurate view of things.. neither will Conservative leaning media... 'News' has become political battlefield to get your side elected ... That's why I stick with independent and moderate positions and watch little T.V. journalism. That's probably because there is no true conservative outlet There's liberals/Democrats who support taxing wealth and using tax dollars to create safety nets for people who need them and there's Republicans that do everything they can to protect corporate profits. I don't personally believe economic conservative values are bad. A world where the average Joe is able to work and earn by their own merit, make a good living, go to good schools, pay for everything themselves, and have enough to save for retirement is a perfectly valid goal. But there are literally ZERO politically significant figures in the US that are actually fighting for that view. Just do one thing or the other. And it seems the only viable option today is to make the rich pay their fair share and use that money to pay for the services the public needs. I pay 22% income tax and I'm hovering around the poverty line. It is not fair or equal that people who have 6+ figure bank accounts, salaries, or net worths are not only paying NOTHING, they're getting refunds AND corporate welfare which is OUR money And that's why I'm team #EatTheRich Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, Woolfsmck said: I don't know how to look that up... Can you show me where high tax rates correlates to higher quality healthcare and education? I don't have to, because you were the one that said "Other states have better education and healthcare yet their tax rates are lower....". The burden of proof is on you, not me. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, AJRocketMan said: A wealth tax is a good thing. That should be implemented on a National scale. Most extremely wealthy people’s wealth is tied up in assets and not necessarily income, so this is actually more equitable. Generally speaking, higher taxes are a good thing, namely on large corporations and high income earners. I think taxing capital gains at a much fairer rate would be fair easier to manage than a wealth tax tho. A wealth tax is much more complicated, much more beaureocracy, and will encourage more hidden types of assets Most countries that at some point had a wealth tax ended up scrapping it. It always turned out to not yield as much cash as anticipated and was always a logistical mess to manage Traditional taxes are simpler to manage and already have a system in place. Just make the rates higher that are too low and close unnecessary tax loop holes No complicated logistics or beaureocracy needed to do that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,507 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jill said: I don't have to, because you were the one that said "Other states have better education and healthcare yet their tax rates are lower....". The burden of proof is on you, not me. We can solve this easily. California, Oregon, and several New England states have the highest tax burdens. They're also among the best educated. I doubt there's a direct correlation between taxes and education but...yeah Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, PartySick said: That's probably because there is no true conservative outlet There's liberals/Democrats who support taxing wealth and using tax dollars to create safety nets for people who need them and there's Republicans that do everything they can to protect corporate profits. I don't personally believe economic conservative values are bad. A world where the average Joe is able to work and earn by their own merit, make a good living, go to good schools, pay for everything themselves, and have enough to save for retirement is a perfectly valid goal. But there are literally ZERO politically significant figures in the US that are actually fighting for that view. Just do one thing or the other. And it seems the only viable option today is to make the rich pay their fair share and use that money to pay for the services the public needs. I pay 22% income tax and I'm hovering around the poverty line. It is not fair or equal that people who have 6+ figure bank accounts, salaries, or net worths are not only paying NOTHING, they're getting refunds AND corporate welfare which is OUR money And that's why I'm team #EatTheRich I agree, many politicians protect corporate profits to line their own pockets in campaign donation ect... Many Democrats do the same thing.. Blaming conservatives to this current state of political corruption is simply party loyalty ... The tax code favors the corporations because the 'buy' legislative decisions ... Its not a 'conservative' tenent any more than taxing everyone to death is a liberal one ... The propaganda that opposing candidates throw at each other dilute the real problems . like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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