Lana Del Rey said she doesn’t think Trump knew he was inciting a riot

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Lana cannot express herself properly, saying "he had no idea he would incite a riot" and then get mad that people interpret it that she thinks he didnt mean to create a riot when that is the significance of your words is baffling to me. Either she has no self awareness or she blurts out her true thoughts and opinions and regrets it later. It's baffling to say that Trump, a 70 something year old man, who yes, acts like a baby and talks like a teenager, could ever say things without an intention of harming others or creating chaos. Trump is and always will be the president of Chaos, and to create Chaos you have to have an intention behind it, your words matter, and no one knows that better than Trump starting from his slogan to his hidden messages to his supporters or the key words he would strategically use to seduce his future voters, he knows what he's doing. He very clearly incited violence, he very clearly excused the violence later on "I understand it" he said that. Did Trump not think before he spoke? If she truly thinks that she's very very naive or she's just a republican as many have suspected 

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19 hours ago, plastiquedoll said:

Trump's madness keeps him blind to the harm he is actually doing

Thats again just wrong. How can u not be aware of the chaos and harm that u create when Trump was very happy about it many times? Was he happy without knowing he's happy? Is Trump just a robot with no awareness in his programming

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35 minutes ago, LadyDelRey said:

My god, the mental gymnastics some of ya'll do to defend this woman...far too much. I'm a fan too but all of her questionable antics lately are just too much; America didn't need a Trump presidency to be taught a lesson about narcissism, Trump is someone who should've never taken office to begin with.  Trump's presidency was a devastating 4 years for American citizens, especially those that aren't caked in privilege and "he didn't know he was enticing a riot" is one of the stupidest things she's ever said. If anything, these last 4 years have taught us is that Trump supporters are as unhinged as he is and will literally do anything he says, as they have done before--this isn't the first time his lunatic supporters have gotten crazy and violent with the public, he 100% knew what he was doing and that it would be a **** show. And yes, before you @ me, I listened to the entire interview. 

I think at this point, Lana can literally do and say whatever she wants and will still have a league of people defending her for it. She could have a can of gasoline in one hand, matches in the other, standing in front of a burning house and fans on Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, and here on GGD would argue that she couldn't have possibly lit the house on fire and that she's being taken out of context. This is a 35 year old woman that has made a booming career of out being a lyricist, poet, etc and the fact that everything she says gets excused with "Omg her words were just taken out of context!" is getting old. 

Trumps presidency really showed some people's true character even in my own relative circle. So it really helped me question them as a human being. Of course it didn't have to happen but it did. The fact that people still think she is a republican is just laughable. But whatever.

 There is a difference between writing music (about her love experiences, state of mind and life)  and writing political statements. Even her political songs are quite bad. Politics are just not her thing and she should realise that. But the Trump thing is her own opinion and her own judgement of his character and we know she hates him. Why all of a sudden will she start feeling sorry for him or defend him??? 

 

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12 minutes ago, plastiquedoll said:

Trumps presidency really showed some people's true character even in my own relative circle. So it really helped me question them as a human being. Of course it didn't have to happen but it did. The fact that people still think she is a republican is just laughable. But whatever.

 There is a difference between writing music (about her love experiences, state of mind and life)  and writing political statements. Even her political songs are quite bad. Politics are just not her thing and she should realise that. But the Trump thing is her own opinion and her own judgement of his character and we know she hates him. Why all of a sudden will she start feeling sorry for him or defend him??? 

 

I mean...I, along with most people, knew he was trouble before he even started running, he has a long history of being an absolute creep and an all around jerk off but that's an entirely different discussion that would take way too long to get into, him running for president was something that should've never happened. Anyway, my point was that Lana is a very intelligent woman and is generally well spoken, she definitely has a way with words and is good at articulating herself but the fact that she can't seem to word herself correctly when speaking on issues like race, politics, feminism, sexism, etc when she's such a talented writer is just mind boggling. Do I think she's a full republican? No. Do I think she's fully democrat, either? No, I don't. 

When you act a certain way and say certain things, people are going to make assumptions and people are going to make jokes about you. I never had an issue with Lana before 2020, as I mentioned before, I was a HARD stan for 10 years until she kept putting her foot into her mouth and her true colors began to unravel. Again, do I think she's a racist? Nope. Do I think she supports Trump? No. Do I think she reeks of white privilege? Yes. Do I think she's a narcissist? Yes. Celebrities in general are usually narcs but Lana has developed this "I'm a gift to the music world, I've paved the way for everyone!" persona about her that puts a bad taste in my mouth. She believes she's invincible and can do no wrong, her ego is inflated and she needs to be knocked down a few pegs. Reading this forum and seeing everyone pardon her behavior, as usual, makes me realize why Lana is a narcissist. There is just no self awareness when it comes to her and she can't apologize for ****, she constantly makes excuses for herself, as do her fans, and says things like "F^ck off if you don't agree!" and attacks anyone, even her own stans, for questioning her. She's just a lost soul, and it's very sad.  

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5 minutes ago, KanyeWest said:

Thats again just wrong. How can u not be aware of the chaos and harm that u create when Trump was very happy about it many times? Was he happy without knowing he's happy? Is Trump just a robot with no awareness in his programming

It's her own observations though. She has talked about similar topics in her poetry("My Bedroom Is a Sacred Place Now – There Are Children at the Foot of My Bed"). As I said it's her own judgement. And it's not like she is excusing his behaviour. Just yesterday I had to deal with a Trump supporter in real life and how blind he is for supporting him. It's scary how his supporters are blind to his problematic behaviour. They are a reflection of him.  

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22 minutes ago, plastiquedoll said:

It's her own observations though. She has talked about similar topics in her poetry("My Bedroom Is a Sacred Place Now – There Are Children at the Foot of My Bed"). As I said it's her own judgement. And it's not like she is excusing his behaviour. Just yesterday I had to deal with a Trump supporter in real life and how blind he is for supporting him. It's scary how his supporters are blind to his problematic behaviour. They are a reflection of him.  

So what's the difference between the Trump supporter blindly supporting Trump and Lana fans blindly supporting every word Lana says? What's the difference? And no--I'm not comparing Lana to Trump btw. Trump is an absolute maniac that holds too much power, is a dangerous threat to the nation and yet, millions of people all over America and even people in foreign countries support him and agree with what he does. Lana isn't a bad person but she's very tone deaf and continues to prove time and time again that she is out of touch with reality. Again, do I think she's racist? No. Do I think she supports Trump? No, but I understand why people may believe that she could be those things because of how she acts and how she also shows little to no remorse for what she says not seeming to care how her words could be affecting people who considered themselves life long fans, such as myself and others who have detached themselves from her as of lately. Lana fans also seem to be blind to her problematic behavior and constantly give her passes no matter what she seems to do; I agree that sometimes she is taken out of context, but she also just says some stupid ****. 

BTW, not trying to argue at all or start a war with ya lmao I'm just trying to get you to understand my POV.

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7 minutes ago, LadyDelRey said:

I mean...I, along with most people, knew he was trouble before he even started running, he has a long history of being an absolute creep and an all around jerk off but that's an entirely different discussion that would take way too long to get into, him running for president was something that should've never happened. Anyway, my point was that Lana is a very intelligent woman and is generally well spoken, she definitely has a way with words and is good at articulating herself but the fact that she can't seem to word herself correctly when speaking on issues like race, politics, feminism, sexism, etc when she's such a talented writer is just mind boggling. Do I think she's a full republican? No. Do I think she's fully democrat, either? No, I don't. 

When you act a certain way and say certain things, people are going to make assumptions and people are going to make jokes about you. I never had an issue with Lana before 2020, as I mentioned before, I was a HARD stan for 10 years until she kept putting her foot into her mouth and her true colors began to unravel. Again, do I think she's a racist? Nope. Do I think she supports Trump? No. Do I think she reeks of white privilege? Yes. Do I think she's a narcissist? Yes. Celebrities in general are usually narcs but Lana has developed this "I'm a gift to the music world, I've paved the way for everyone!" persona about her that puts a bad taste in my mouth. She believes she's invincible and can do no wrong, her ego is inflated and she needs to be knocked down a few pegs. Reading this forum and seeing everyone pardon her behavior, as usual, makes me realize why Lana is a narcissist. There is just no self awareness when it comes to her and she can't apologize for ****, she constantly makes excuses for herself, as do her fans, and says things like "F^ck off if you don't agree!" and attacks anyone, even her own stans, for questioning her. She's just a lost soul, and it's very sad.  

I didn't mean to say you didn't know about Trumps problematic character. If it came out this way, I apologise. I meant that it helped me judge the people around me and those who support him during the election and the recent events. With every thing else I agree. You said in the best way possible. I definitely understand how problematic she is. And I will never excuse her racial remarks cause that can't be excused. Lana is definitely in the centre of the spectrum between republican and democrat. But I see her more leaning towards the left since she hasn't supported republican ideas in any way (at least that I am aware of). Definitely white privileged. All caucasians are. On top of that she is a celebrity who'll be fine in any political scenario. But she did have an influence to some extent in my opinion on making the fake positivity movement go away, which was so dominant during time she debuted or making critics see that women can be authentic artists as well and not just a manufactured product . Of course it's not only her that contributed to that change. Every woman in the industry had a hand in it. 

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4 minutes ago, LadyDelRey said:

So what's the difference between the Trump supporter blindly supporting Trump and Lana fans blindly supporting every word Lana says? What's the difference? And no--I'm not comparing Lana to Trump btw. Trump is an absolute maniac that holds too much power, is a dangerous threat to the nation and yet, millions of people all over America and even people in foreign countries support him and agree with what he does. Lana isn't a bad person but she's very tone deaf and continues to prove time and time again that she is out of touch with reality. Again, do I think she's racist? No. Do I think she supports Trump? No, but I understand why people may believe that she could be those things because of how she acts and how she also shows little to no remorse for what she says not seeming to care how her words could be affecting people who considered themselves life long fans, such as myself and others who have detached themselves from her as of lately. Lana fans also seem to be blind to her problematic behavior and constantly give her passes no matter what she seems to do; I agree that sometimes she is taken out of context, but she also just says some stupid ****. 

BTW, not trying to argue at all or start a war with ya lmao I'm just trying to get you to understand my POV.

There is no difference. And those fans should be held accountable as well for not seeing how dumb she comes across. As I said I will never defend her racial comments. But I will defend her when people call her a Trump supporter just like we all will defend Gaga if the haters try to societe her with her father's support for Trump. Anyways I'll stop here cause someone is trying to hack me on Amazon. Lool no hard feelings 

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1 hour ago, plastiquedoll said:

There is no difference. And those fans should be held accountable as well for not seeing how dumb she comes across. As I said I will never defend her racial comments. But I will defend her when people call her a Trump supporter just like we all will defend Gaga if the haters try to societe her with her father's support for Trump. Anyways I'll stop here cause someone is trying to hack me on Amazon. Lool no hard feelings 

Yeah, you're totally good and I agree about the fans being held accountable! Thanks for the discussion.

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if the last few months have shown us anything its that lana del rey is dumb

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her response to this

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20 hours ago, MJHolland said:

Wait, so which is it babe? You realize these are contradictory, no? 

Should we be looking for hidden meaning, subtext, or subtleties (nuance), or should we stop reading into stuff that isn't there?

Either way, you're mistaken. She said she doesn't think Donald Trump knew we has inciting a riot. He very clearly knew what he was doing, and the interviewer rightfully immediately jumped in to correct the record. Your fav doesn't deserve to get a free pass for saying stupid things bc she's your fav. 

No, they're not contradictory. I'm observing the nuance that's actually there, not the nuance that my mind wants to see. You and many others, are looking for hidden meanings that are not there. Lana's dislike of Trump could not be any more explicit. I don't know what else she has to do to convince you. But some people are just steadfast in their beliefs even when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

All she is doing is pondering a theory. She should be allowed to do that without being accused of all sorts. We're living in a world now where you can't even put out a question or an idea into the universe without someone jumping down your throat and assuming what this makes you. Some of us just like to wonder things, it doesn't mean we support them. Lana, as you can tell from her music, is an eternal philosopher. She naturally hunts for answers as to why things are what they are. We should have the freedom to do that without being accused of supporting anything we ponder. And I do not give Lana a free pass because she's my fave. If you know me, you'll know that I don't give free passes to anyone, not even my closest friends and family. If someone's in the wrong, trust me, I'll call them out on it. I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt but when bad behaviour is obvious, it doesn't matter who's doing it in my mind, they need to be held accountable. If you think I'm just a dumb stan, you thought wrong because I am not the one.

15 hours ago, TimisaMonster said:

Careful...the little Lana Del Stanners will come for you if you dare make the assumption she is a Trump supporter...

We do that because there is overwhelming evidence that she isn't a Trump supporter but people just choose to ignore it. Lana has done everything she could possibly do to show she hates Trump. Short of going up to him and spitting in his face, I don't know how much more she could possibly do to please you lot. If you choose to ignore conclusive evidence, I don't know what else to say to you.

3 hours ago, LadyDelRey said:

My god, the mental gymnastics some of ya'll do to defend this woman...far too much. I'm a fan too but all of her questionable antics lately are just too much; America didn't need a Trump presidency to be taught a lesson about narcissism, Trump is someone who should've never taken office to begin with.  Trump's presidency was a devastating 4 years for American citizens, especially those that aren't caked in privilege and "he didn't know he was enticing a riot" is one of the stupidest things she's ever said. If anything, these last 4 years have taught us is that Trump supporters are as unhinged as he is and will literally do anything he says, as they have done before--this isn't the first time his lunatic supporters have gotten crazy and violent with the public, he 100% knew what he was doing and that it would be a **** show. And yes, before you @ me, I listened to the entire interview. 

I think at this point, Lana can literally do and say whatever she wants and will still have a league of people defending her for it. She could have a can of gasoline in one hand, matches in the other, standing in front of a burning house and fans on Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, and here on GGD would argue that she couldn't have possibly lit the house on fire and that she's being taken out of context. This is a 35 year old woman that has made a booming career of out being a lyricist, poet, etc and the fact that everything she says gets excused with "Omg her words were just taken out of context!" is getting old. 

It's funny, I'm thrown by the mental gymnastics people do to bring her down. Lately, there seems to be some sort of thread to find problematic behaviour from her, no matter how small. We didn't get this nonsense back in her early days but that's before people got to the over-sensitive era that we're in now where we read ill intent into everything. On the topic of narcissism, I find it quite ironic that people complaining about narcissism are so steadfast in their beliefs that she is a Republican despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I think probably one of the defining aspects of being a narcissist is believing you are right no matter what evidence is placed before you. As for the concept of words being taken out of context, it's not Lana doing this but those who read what she says. Notice that the headline that was chosen for this post is completely out of context and deliberately chosen for the amount of scandal it suggests? Well, at least it does for those who jump to conclusions. Those of us with a cool head actually chill out and listen to what she has to say in full also with the knowledge of her political opinions going in.

I really take issue with people calling fans who defend her to be "blind." I have no blindness, not even when it comes to my faves. I criticise when there actually is something to be critical of. I was critical of Lana when she dissed Gaga back in the day. I was highly critical of her when she denounced feminism (which she clearly later educated herself on and retracted somewhat). But until she does something that's way out of line that I actually find an issue with, people are merely overreacting and looking for ways to bring her down as they don't like her. And boy, do people love performing their apparent awareness of social issues and what political side they're on in forums to win brownie points. Even I do it a little myself, I admit...but just so it can hopefully change the minds of anyone who have ever assumed untrue things about me. Being on a forum is largely performative and it's largely about advertising what type of person you are, I've found out.

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5 minutes ago, Lona Delery said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ9j8wuhZTh/

her response to this

God she looks gorgeous...but does anyone have any idea about her life while growing up? She says she didn't have much and was struggling??? I've heard completely different rumors or are they lies? 

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2 minutes ago, plastiquedoll said:

God she looks gorgeous...but does anyone have any idea about her life while growing up? She says she didn't have much and was struggling??? I've heard completely different rumors or are they lies? 

I mean, Lake Placid is a really wealthy part of NY so not many people with "nothing" can afford to live there. I don't know when her father started making his millions, but she attended a private boarding school in CT and then Fordham, both expensive schools. Idk.