RAMROD 107,515 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It should go without tagline. Not even the typical Big is Beautiful. Because the cover is already impactful. A tagline does a disservice. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ 𝔦 𝔞𝔪 𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔬𝔫𝔤 𝔡𝔢𝔰𝔭𝔦𝔱𝔢 𝔪𝔶 𝔰𝔠𝔞𝔯𝔰 (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamite 54,358 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Healed My Heart said: Another day, another fat-shaming thread. Consider everyone you're triggering here, please and thank you. It's not fat shaming, it's actually a valid discussion about a misguided message on people's health and points have been made. We shouldn't avoid having discussions about things because a select few don't like it. Like a poem said by a neydy in red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,599 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Healed My Heart said: Another day, another fat-shaming thread. Consider everyone you're triggering here, please and thank you. No one here is fat shaming. No one has made insults about these women's weights. We have just pointed out the medical realities of being this size. I'm sorry to hear that this stuff is triggering for you but if that's the case, just avoid it. If something triggers me, I just give it a pass but that shouldn't stop the conversation being held among those who aren't triggered by it. Those who are this size may also want to give their input on what that experience is like and we should allow all sides of the debate to talk freely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothicdream 39,532 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: "It's extremely rare to find a person who is obese and healthy and when you do, you usually find that they have a medical condition that causes the extra weight, I've yet to find an obese person with no medical conditions to blame for it who was completely healthy." "I think more doctors need to speak up on this issue as they've been way too quiet throughout the whole fat acceptance thing." "Yes, there are overweight people who exercise but you have to then ask yourself, why are they still overweight, then? Because they're clearly eating unhealthily and that's what's holding them back." Hi, I'm not going to spend time on here debating this, just asking fellow users to show a little more compassion. All of your comments I've quoted above are 100% fat shaming even if it isn't your intention. Fat shaming is not just overtly criticising someone's appearance. Please consider that. Also consider that no one here (that I'm aware of) is a doctor and you cannot evaluate someone's health based on a photograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 But... these people could be healthy? Some people are healthy at this weight and size, and some aren't. Same as some people are healthy at a thinner frame, and some aren't. That's what I'm getting from these covers: that, although it is easy to assume people that look like this are unhealthy, that is not always true! 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothicdream 39,532 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, dynamite said: It's not fat shaming, it's actually a valid discussion about a misguided message on people's health and points have been made. We shouldn't avoid having discussions about things because a select few don't like it. Just saying there are more respectful ways to have a discussion about something like this than lacing responses with incredibly fat-shaming comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatography 10,183 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Healed My Heart said: Hi, I'm not going to spend time on here debating this, just asking fellow users to show a little more compassion. All of your comments I've quoted above are 100% fat shaming even if it isn't your intention. Fat shaming is not just overtly criticising someone's appearance. Please consider that. Also consider that no one here (that I'm aware of) is a doctor and you cannot evaluate someone's health based on a photograph. if someone is obese, they are not healthy. that’s not fat shaming, that is a fact. https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html it increases the likelihood of and/or worsens other conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,599 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, Healed My Heart said: Hi, I'm not going to spend time on here debating this, just asking fellow users to show a little more compassion. All of your comments I've quoted above are 100% fat shaming even if it isn't your intention. Fat shaming is not just overtly criticising someone's appearance. Please consider that. Also consider that no one here (that I'm aware of) is a doctor and you cannot evaluate someone's health based on a photograph. I am showing compassion by showing concern about the health implications of carrying this much weight. It is a fact that being this overweight will result in health issues, in the same way that other unhealthy behaviours cause health problems. I think one of the most compassionate things you can do is show a bit of tough love in these circumstances. Tough love is what has saved a lot of people. I didn't start losing weight until I got real with myself and changed my attitude towards how I viewed eating and exercise and I want others to have that same realisation. If fat shaming is more than just shaming someone's appearance, then what is it? How is pointing out the medical facts of being obese a form of shaming? It's reality, it's showing care for a person's wellbeing and wanting them to be healthy and live a long life. And just because no one here is a doctor doesn't mean that we can't blatantly tell through a photograph when someone is obese. I have seen footage of doctors terming people this weight to be obese before. If you watch any form of media that concerns the subject of obesity being assessed by doctors, you will see people of the weights displayed in these Cosmo covers. Are you appalled by images of underweight, clearly anorexic runway models? If you believe that you can tell that someone is too thin based on a photo, you can surely also tell when someone is overweight through a photo. It's an innate part of our evolutionary make-up as humans - we can tell from looking at someone if they are generally healthy or not, there are clear visual markers. And in terms of weight, we take into account height, weight ratio, where the weight is carried, etc. You don't have to be doctor to pick up on these markers, especially if you've looked into the study of bodily health. We can't comment on the exact weight or dress size of these women, nor can we assume the exact nature of their diet or how much exercise they do but we can get a general idea of overall health from these photos. As long as anything we say about it comes from a place of respect and care, I fail to see how it's fat shaming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Fried Egg 8,317 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, Chromatography said: these people on the cover are obese They are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothicdream 39,532 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chromatography said: if someone is obese, they are not healthy. that’s not fat shaming, that is a fact. https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html it increases the likelihood of and/or worsens other conditions. I am not personally arguing whether it is healthy. I am arguing that there are far more factors that go into overall health than appearance in a photograph or body size, that health is a spectrum not just a fat v. thin binary, and that being fat does not simply mean you eat "unhealthily" as many suggest here. Other factors to consider include socioeconomic status, disability, food deserts, etc. I am also just asking others to be kind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothicdream 39,532 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: I am showing compassion by showing concern about the health implications of carrying this much weight. It is a fact that being this overweight will result in health issues, in the same way that other unhealthy behaviours cause health problems. I think one of the most compassionate things you can do is show a bit of tough love in these circumstances. Tough love is what has saved a lot of people. I didn't start losing weight until I got real with myself and changed my attitude towards how I viewed eating and exercise and I want others to have that same realisation. If fat shaming is more than just shaming someone's appearance, then what is it? How is pointing out the medical facts of being obese a form of shaming? It's reality, it's showing care for a person's wellbeing and wanting them to be healthy and live a long life. And just because no one here is a doctor doesn't mean that we can't blatantly tell through a photograph when someone is obese. I have seen footage of doctors terming people this weight to be obese before. If you watch any form of media that concerns the subject of obesity being assessed by doctors, you will see people of the weights displayed in these Cosmo covers. Are you appalled by images of underweight, clearly anorexic runway models? If you believe that you can tell that someone is too thin based on a photo, you can surely also tell when someone is overweight through a photo. It's an innate part of our evolutionary make-up as humans - we can tell from looking at someone if they are generally healthy or not, there are clear visual markers. And in terms of weight, we take into account height, weight ratio, where the weight is carried, etc. You don't have to be doctor to pick up on these markers, especially if you've looked into the study of bodily health. We can't comment on the exact weight or dress size of these women, nor can we assume the exact nature of their diet or how much exercise they do but we can get a general idea of overall health from these photos. As long as anything we say about it comes from a place of respect and care, I fail to see how it's fat shaming. If you are truly concerned about others' health, I encourage you to read about Health at Every Size and the negative impact of fat shaming on long-term health outcomes. Evidence is growing that non-weight-centric approaches to medicine are more successful in treating and preventing chronic disease than traditional methods of telling someone they just need to lose weight or "tough love" as you put it. Here are some articles: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935663/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Healed My Heart said: I am not personally arguing whether it is healthy. I am arguing that there are far more factors that go into health than appearance in a photograph, that health is a spectrum not just a fat v. thin binary, and that being fat does not simply mean you eat "unhealthily" as many suggest here. Other factors to consider include socioeconomic status, disability, food deserts, etc. I am also just asking others to be kind. The reason why most people put on weight is because they are eating too much of the wrong things, and are consuming way more calories than what they are burning off. Some people will have medical issues and thats fine. But the vast majority of us will get obese due to poor choices and decisions we make. Carrying excessive weight isn't good for you. There are various scientific studies the prove this, and have linked obesity to an increase in strokes and heart attacks. The majority of people who are fat are unhealthy by either their diet, or a lack of physical exercise. Especially in the wake of Covid-19 which puts even greater strain on the lungs and immune system, being overweight is certainly not healthy. It's not fatshaming to call someone unhealthy. Fatshaming is making fun of someone's weight. Having conversations about health and weight is important, but its not fatshaming. End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,599 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, Healed My Heart said: If you are truly concerned about others' health, I encourage you to read about Health at Every Size and the negative impact of fat shaming on long-term health outcomes. Evidence is growing that non-weight-centric approaches to medicine are more successful in treating and preventing chronic disease than traditional methods of telling someone they just need to lose weight or "tough love" as you put it. Here are some articles: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935663/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ I have looked into Health At Every Size and don't agree with it. And this was confirmed to me by ex-obese people who had lived that life and know how how unhealthy they were in retrospect. Some almost died. Healthy at every size? Even someone who is anorexic, can no longer menstruate and is wearing clothes meant for children? Even someone who eats 5000 calories a day, is bed-bound and struggling to walk and breathe? Clearly, health at every size is a lie. Respecting someone at any size is one thing, saying they're healthy at every size is another. Approach to weight loss is of course paramount and there are good and bad ways to do that. I'm in no way saying that telling people to just lose weight is enough. But how weight is lost isn't the issue we're debating, the issue is that someone is an unhealthy weight and that has to change. I have seen very toxic, inaccurate arguments touted by the fat acceptance movement like: "there is no evidence that people who lose weight through dieting keep that weight off long term." While the amount of people who relapse is huge, there are many factors as to why that is the case that need to be addressed but the solution is not to throw in the towel and decide to not even try. And this argument also discounts those who have successfully lost the weight and maintained it (usually the ones who lost it gradually through diet changes and exercise over an extended period of time without the aid of medical procedures). But fat acceptance movements don't encourage you to focus on the positive success stories but rather to tell yourself that things will never get better so don't attempt to try. When you see them tear down a previously overweight celebrity who has chosen to lose weight and how the fat acceptance movement seems almost entirely aimed at women makes you wonder what the true intention is because health and autonomy doesn't seem to be what's supported here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gag 22,449 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Shameless magazines deliberately using a controversial tagline to boost social media engagement? And GGD takes the bait? Shocking. I feel terrible for these women. headspin, happiness, DE̤̣A̢̯͔̘T͏͙̗̟̫H̗̙͡ͅ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
March34th 1,973 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 another thread thats going to lead to fat shaming. cant wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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