Gaga is slowly becoming an “Industry Puppet”

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2 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

But.. pretty much everything you listed did just that lmao. Aside from Tudor, all of the list ventures have been connected to her work in some way.

We wouldn't have the Stupid Love, Rain On Me, or 911 videos without those sponsors. What some of you don't seem to understand is the record label only gives an artist so much money to stretch out for an entire campaign. The rest is up to the artist and their team to organize if they want something beyond what they've been given. The plan was to shoot 6 music videos on top of everything else she had planned as far as performances went. Interscope wasn't going to cover all those costs. Not to mention a stadium tour, which Live Nation will only pay so much to produce. The reason we've gotten so few videos the last three albums is because the label is not giving Gaga the amount of money she needs to do what she really wants. That's why the pandemic has been such a buzzkill for everyone, including Gaga, because there was a lot planned.

Besides that, of course she's interested in making more money in the general sense, because she's not just working for herself and it's not like she or anyone is making money off music. "Gaga" is not just one person or just an artist anymore and she hasn't been for a while. She's a brand. She has hundreds of employees working under her (and that's just the core), which is why she struggled the last few years reconciling who she is because it's a lot to have that many people depending on you for their sole source of income. A lot of fans are out here acting as if she's pocketing every dime she's making and it's honestly kind of gross and really unfair. Of course there is room for opinions, but at least be informed and consider why she's doing things instead of blindly calling people money hungry "puppets" who have no interest or passion in making art.

Thank you. I feel like cheering.

Here are three statements of fact and one opinion.

Fact 1.  Gaga has the right to do as she chooses in relation to what products she endorses or advertises and in relation to how she does that.

Fact 2. She also has the right to choose how much and what type of promo she does for her albums.

In my opinion, we do not really know enough about her to do any more than make an educated guess about her motivation in making her choices, or about her commitment to her music, and it is therefore wrong to publicly (i.e. on here) question her motivation or her commitment.

Fact 3. It is UNNECESSARY to publicly question her motivation in making her choices or her commitment to her music.

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2 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

But.. pretty much everything you listed did just that lmao. Aside from Tudor, all of the list ventures have been connected to her work in some way.

We wouldn't have the Stupid Love, Rain On Me, or 911 videos without those sponsors. What some of you don't seem to understand is the record label only gives an artist so much money to stretch out for an entire campaign. The rest is up to the artist and their team to organize if they want something beyond what they've been given. The plan was to shoot 6 music videos on top of everything else she had planned as far as performances went. Interscope wasn't going to cover all those costs. Not to mention a stadium tour, which Live Nation will only pay so much to produce. The reason we've gotten so few videos the last three albums is because the label is not giving Gaga the amount of money she needs to do what she really wants. That's why the pandemic has been such a buzzkill for everyone, including Gaga, because there was a lot planned.

Besides that, of course she's interested in making more money in the general sense, because she's not just working for herself and it's not like she or anyone is making money off music. "Gaga" is not just one person or just an artist anymore and she hasn't been for a while. She's a brand. She has hundreds of employees working under her (and that's just the core), which is why she struggled the last few years reconciling who she is because it's a lot to have that many people depending on you for their sole source of income. A lot of fans are out here acting as if she's pocketing every dime she's making and it's honestly kind of gross and really unfair. Of course there is room for opinions, but at least be informed and consider why she's doing things instead of blindly calling people money hungry "puppets" who have no interest or passion in making art.

 

In this thread you called Gaga’s art “ugly,” “mediocre,” said she has “questionable taste,” and have been condescending to people you disagree with.

So I’m not sure we’d get much out of an exchange of ideas.

I’ll leave it at this. I think the sudden influx of threads noting disappointment in Gaga’s capitalist ventures are justified and stemming from a shift in Gaga’s focus as a public figure.

You’re welcome to disagree. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Reputation 800]

Ok, I’m over the idea of eras. I really really am. I feel like no matter what any artist (mostly in pop) does there will always be a group of fans that are left unsatisfied. I barely listen to pop music anymore with the exception of Taylor and Ariana. I’m much more into hip hop anyway. It’s crazy, rappers can just drop albums and that’s that, fans will enjoy the album, listen to it on repeat, and will be able to digest the music cause the MUSIC is what tells the story. Maybe that’s what Gaga was trying to show, that the music paints the world of Chromatica. I honestly think people begging for whole “eras” are in way over their heads. The GP moves on to new artists and new projects much faster now, so i think with streaming being the dominant form of entertainment consumption you’ll see less and less energy put into eras. Which is fine. People also need to think about if its financially worth it to put millions of dollars into an album cycle and do all the extra stuff if the GP is just gonna move on quickly from a record onto something new. Chances are it’s not gonna be worth it, it won’t make as big of a profit. Also consider that Chromatica is already like 7 months old. If they don’t push radio or any kind of play then the videos or extra stuff won’t draw new listeners in, it’ll just appeal to fans = people who have probably already bought the album and buy her merch. I’m sure Gaga might have a video or two for the new year if she announces new tour dates to stir up some interest in the record and her again but other than that I think that’ll be it. 

 

sorry for my rant 😂

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28 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

In this thread you called Gaga’s art “ugly,” “mediocre,” said she has “questionable taste,” and have been condescending to people you disagree with.

So I’m not sure we’d get much out of an exchange of ideas.

I’ll leave it at this. I think the sudden influx of threads noting disappointment in Gaga’s capitalist ventures are justified and stemming from a shift in Gaga’s focus as a public figure.

You’re welcome to disagree. 

I referred to “Stupid Love” video as those things, so I’m not sure what that has to do with much of anything. It’s not even matter of an “exchange of ideas” or opinions – what I said is fact. I’ve also never said the disappointment wasn’t justified, I’m simply explaining the why. If that’s condescending, then so be it. Everyone can benefit from being more informed before making such broad generalizations about a person they don’t actually know.

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18 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

I referred to “Stupid Love” video as those things, so I’m not sure what that has to do with much of anything. It’s not even matter of an “exchange of ideas” or opinions – what I said is fact. I’ve also never said the disappointment wasn’t justified, I’m simply explaining the why. If that’s condescending, then so be it. Everyone can benefit from being more informed before making such broad generalizations about a person they don’t actually know.

all we need is sour candy music video and she can end the era the moment she released it. thats it. 

if she cant give us sc mv i dont know what else to think about this anymore. 

she already had enough time to prepare for sour candy music video shot this all time but if she actually spend that time over haus labs its her choice but her fans are upset about it. 

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4 minutes ago, SoSourCandy said:

all we need is sour candy music video and she can end the era the moment she released it. thats it. 

if she cant give us sc mv i dont know what else to think about this anymore. 

she already had enough time to prepare for sour candy music video shot this all time but if she actually spend that time over haus labs its her choice but her fans are upset about it. 

That’s not what’s happening but okay 

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1 minute ago, PropaGaga said:

That’s not what’s happening but okay 

so sc mv isnt coming ?  

i was actually waiting for some miracle to be happen and maybe, MAYBE she would have mercy on us and do it. 

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I really enjoy her partnerships and products and honestly, I don’t get why people complain so much about it.

Its very clear to me that she puts efforts on everything she participates and I feel that besides the money part, it also makes Gaga more present in people’s lives, once she’s doing music AND all the other stuff at the same time.

Chromatica didn’t lose even a little piece of its magical and perfect concept just because she decided to be a partner of Tudor, Oreo, Adobe or create new Haus Labs products simultaneously.

She is praised everywhere and has an amazing team to give her support, this is the perfect environment to be open to new things and go outside of the box.

[Ronk 14,762]

1 hour ago, PropaGaga said:

But.. pretty much everything you listed did just that lmao. Aside from Tudor, all of the list ventures have been connected to her work in some way.

We wouldn't have the Stupid Love, Rain On Me, or 911 videos without those sponsors. What some of you don't seem to understand is the record label only gives an artist so much money to stretch out for an entire campaign. The rest is up to the artist and their team to organize if they want something beyond what they've been given. The plan was to shoot 6 music videos on top of everything else she had planned as far as performances went. Interscope wasn't going to cover all those costs. Not to mention a stadium tour, which Live Nation will only pay so much to produce. The reason we've gotten so few videos the last three albums is because the label is not giving Gaga the amount of money she needs to do what she really wants. That's why the pandemic has been such a buzzkill for everyone, including Gaga, because there was a lot planned.

Besides that, of course she's interested in making more money in the general sense, because she's not just working for herself and it's not like she or anyone is making money off music. "Gaga" is not just one person or just an artist anymore and she hasn't been for a while. She's a brand. She has hundreds of employees working under her (and that's just the core), which is why she struggled the last few years reconciling who she is because it's a lot to have that many people depending on you for their sole source of income. A lot of fans are out here acting as if she's pocketing every dime she's making and it's honestly kind of gross and really unfair. Of course there is room for opinions, but at least be informed and consider why she's doing things instead of blindly calling people money hungry "puppets" who have no interest or passion in making art.

I agree.  She employs a lot of people who, because of Gaga's projects, actually have jobs in these terrible times.  That means so much.

To be fair to Gaga we should consider why she does things and not put the worst light on things based on assumptions.  I know Gaga is a person who means well, so I think scenarios that reflect her good character are the most accurate as to why she does things.

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45 minutes ago, SoSourCandy said:

so sc mv isnt coming ?  

i was actually waiting for some miracle to be happen and maybe, MAYBE she would have mercy on us and do it. 

I'm saying she's not just sitting around doing Haus Labs stuff. All of that is done way in advance; the shoots we're seeing now were done ages ago.

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Some of y‘all have to see Haus Labs and her Music as two different things. Its that easy...Don‘t know what this has to do with „bling, not the music“ or „industry puppet“?

For me a Industry Puppet are much more people like Ava Max, Dua Lipa etc... As much as I love them, the industry has the full control of them, so many collabs, special edition and era milking.

Its unfair that Gaga isn‘t allowed to have a Brand (which hasn‘t to do with her music in general) just because she once said „music not the bling“. It doesn‘t mean that she has a brand that she isn‘t passionate about it. Y’all have to leave your bubble

The shade I saw for Haus Labs, voce Viva and the Oreo collab... Its funny how nobody complained about the apple collab for example. I haven’t seen any “bling, not the music” comments there  y’all are just hypocrites and come up with that boring a$$ „music not the bling“ argument when it fits you

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There is no need to over-analyze things.

She needs to have her critically bulletproof artistic moment in music soon.

Then, she is free to do whatever she wants.

But I still think that she haven't activated her true musical potential yet. 

Also, yes, her legacy is secured but I want that legacy to have chapters that are consist of total artistic freedom, musical invention and certain intellectual capacity. 

So far, she is looking backwards and is in defensive mode. 

 

[VasilisVas 5,140]

Gaga is a person just like the rest of us and of course she’s trying to make money. We all need money to live, so what’s the problem? Let the woman do what she wants. 

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19 hours ago, Kimmo said:

I remember she was all about the Music and not the Bling but lately it just feels like she’s all about money grabs. This is why some of us don’t find Haus Labs to be authentic since that is what all celebrities are doing now to keep their Net Worth going.
We might even get a Skin Care line soon, I just feel like she’s losing touch with music and is more interested in the business world and acting career that she is now forgetting about music. I remember being so excited about Gagavision and finding clues about what was to come ‘ala BTW era’ but the latest Gagavision was all about a behinds the scenes for 911. She’s releasing more commercials and shoots for Haus Labs but keeps recycling the same pictures for Chromatica, her Chromatica Box Set and all merchandise was so bland and lacked creativity. It kinda feels like she’s being groomed and developed away from the public eye by her team and when she’s on the spotlight it feels inorganically. I just wish for more ‘Music and less Bling’ 

Edit:

I guess I used the wrong word to express myself, I was actually looking for “Industry Puppet” thanks for the correction 

Not this topic again 

[Pharamon 6,839]

little managers are at it again, why are you so critical of everything she does, its normal for someone of her status to push products forward and try to sell them its not like she pulled a rihanna and gave up on music completely. She still has the passion for music, still has the drive for performing and putting out music and music videos so what if she wants to secure her career financially with some brand deals? BESIDES, there is some heart in what she does in regards to those deals, they don't feel as much as a cashgrab as they do with other artists doing brand deals.