Official Discussion Thread: U.S Presidential Election 2020

[sarahb 17,188]

47,052 trail in AZ

309,034 estimated votes remaining (This number may be off)

53/47 breakdown of the last block in favour of Biden

Trump needs 57.61%

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

19 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Politico put out a piece about how Biden and McConnell will be able to work together better than expected.

They've served together for decades, Biden is often liked for "knowing how the congress works" and "being better at negotiations than Obama", and McConnell was one of (or the) only GOP senators at Beau's funeral.

We might not get anything amazing until (🤞) Democrats take the senate in 2022 but it doesn't look like Mitch intends to be a total wall this time.

Assuming the Georgia runoffs don't go our way, that is.

We'll see

The only thing this is said to amount at this point, is that he'll be willing to work with Biden for confirming only centrists to his cabinet, but that he won't do it with anyone too "progressive" in Republican eyes.

And you wanna know who they think is too progressive? Susan Rice 

I honestly hadn't even considered that the Senate is the body that gets to confirm all his important nominees in the Cabinet. We're screwed.

[buzzkill 5,183]

6 minutes ago, Jill said:

And with Bolivia's election! I hope Bolsonaro loses now and Chile flips.

As a brazilian, sadly Bolsonaro will probably win reelection. all the left party in Brazil are so detach from the peoples needs that it seems so unlikely to change. In an ideal world, all the left party could come together (to create a big one, such as the Frente Ampla in Uruguay), then they’ll stand a chance against Bolsonaro. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Trump won a larger share of the Republican vote this time around than he did in 2016. Biden brought Republicans to the DNC, he offered to give them a place in his cabinet, we had multiple think tanks and media apparatuses like the Lincoln Project taking millions upon millions from Democratic voters and... Republican voters didn't care. More of them voted for Trump than before. 

This strategy totally, completely failed. It will never work. Everything that you personally advocated for on this site for years failed. No amount of rebranding to attempt to pander to Republicans will EVER work.

Medicare for All, "government run" healthcare is favored by 70+ percent of the population. Increases in the minimum wage, the legalization of drugs, etc. won across the country. Bring out the Democratic base, run on the progressive policies that the voters want across party lines, or fail. That's it. 

it's weird how pessimistic you are. When has my way or the highway ever even worked in a monogamous relationship. Why would it work on the entirety of the US population? If you give people "no choice" they will rebel. It's just human nature.  

Also the Republican party worked harder than democrats to register NEW Republican voters to replace the ones who left and chip away at the Democratic advantages in most swing states. But we managed to turn GA and AZ purple, maybe even Alaska.  Lol 

It's troubling the way you think that just because the Republican party is turning into a nationalist party that there would be no new people registering. Like if American Nazi's that never cared about politics before don't exist. Well they do and now they have a party to vote with.

Calling things Democratic socialism is how we lost Florida. FYI. 

[caulixtla 2,170]

9 minutes ago, sarahb said:

47,052 trail in AZ

309,034 estimated votes remaining (This number may be off)

53/47 breakdown of the last block in favour of Biden

Trump needs 57.61%

The biggie is the number of votes remaining (I’m saw a 56% margin for Trump in the last Maricopa drop) If it’s closer to 300k than 400k, Biden has it. If it’s closer to 400k, it can go either way, depending on how other parts of AZ go. If it’s 53%, Trump is toast in AZ.

@sarahb I thought the last big drop in Maricopa county was 56% Trump.

EDIT: I got 56% on the last AZ drop, but sarahb saw 53%, so time to redo the math.

[Chromatican 4,046]

Just now, JusKeepBreathin said:

it's weird how pessimistic you are. When has my way or the highway ever even worked in a monogamous relationship. Why would it work on the entirety of the US population? If you give people "no choice" they will rebel. It's just human nature.  

Also the Republican party worked harder than democrats to register NEW Republican voters to replace the ones who left and chip away at the Democratic advantages in most swing states. But we managed to turn GA and AZ purple, maybe even Alaska.  Lol 

It's troubling the way you think that just because the Republican party is turning into a nationalist party that there would be no new people registering. Like if American Nazi's that never cared about politics before don't exist. Well they do and now they have a party to vote with.

Calling things Democratic socialism is how we lost Florida. FYI. 

We barely managed to win with a centrist Dem who did everything in his power to reach out to Republican voters and constantly talked about reaching across the aisle. Republicans rejected Biden. The Republican Party has been using my way or the highway in politics for years, and it's worked amazingly. Time for Democrats to stop letting themselves be defined by the Fascist Party.

[MelbHawker 6,583]

JUST IN: Trump's lead in Georgia falls to 1,500 votes
 

 

[jacs vs looser 5,122]

13 minutes ago, caulixtla said:

Keep in mind that in Mexico that they’re conservative in different ways than we are here. AMLO is left of Bernie Sanders and is currently the president; they’re quite economically liberal in Mexico. In terms of social values, pretty much everyone has faith and abortion is illegal on the books (but abortion pills are readily available), but they’re more open about expressing their sexuality than people are here in the US.

It’s perfectly OK to start making out with someone in public in Mexico. People are not afraid to openly express their sexuality or tell dirty jokes the way they are in the US—it’s a lot less prudish.

LGBTQ rights lag about 10 years behind the US, but for the last six or seven years, Mexican soap operas have started to have gay couples in their plot lines. It’s like where we were in the first-2000s-decade in the US, when moves like Brokeback Mountain made gay rights mainstream.

@Dulo Peep Thoughts? Am I accurately assessing the situation in Mexico?

You're really accurate, how are you so well-versed in Mexico? if you don't mind me asking

[caulixtla 2,170]

Just now, jacs vs looser said:

You're really accurate, how are you so well-versed in Mexico? if you don't mind me asking

I lived in Mexico for five years: Three in Puebla, two in Cuernavaca.

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

3 minutes ago, MelbHawker said:

JUST IN: Trump's lead in Georgia falls to 1,500 votes
 

 

He's so gonna sue for a recount...

so counting Georgia is pointless...we need Nevada to hurry up

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

4 minutes ago, Chromatican said:

We barely managed to win with a centrist Dem who did everything in his power to reach out to Republican voters and constantly talked about reaching across the aisle. Republicans rejected Biden. The Republican Party has been using my way or the highway in politics for years, and it's worked amazingly. Time for Democrats to stop letting themselves be defined by the Fascist Party.

Wow. Not enough likes for this one. 

The little neolibs who always seem to double down on failed strategies right after losing because of them are shook.

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

 

 

[Sloansabbith 136]

37 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

You're making an argument with an anomaly. Trump isn't a Republican. He is not fiscally conservative or morally conservative. The values of the Republican party are not what they used to be. I mean Regan wanted borders that were more open. That alone says how much that party has changed. People like John Kasich or McCain are what the Republican party used to stand for. Those people voted for Biden in McCain's case his wife did and they will continue to jump ship as the Republican party becomes more and more a nationalist party, thanks to Trump's influence. The problem is that nationalist sentiment is growing faster than the more progressive side of the Democratic party. It will become more difficult to move in a more progrssive direction as center left Republicans start voting Democratic as the Republican party continues it's dive into nationalism. 

With that said, we have to start making those center left Republicans feel comfortable with voting more progressively. I think it's starts with rebranding to be honest. Most polls suggest that Americans want Healthcare reform and eduction reform and they believe in climate change, but they hear the word socialist and fear it. I think we need to start reinventing how we sell healthcare for for all and education for all and enviormental protection as conservative values or just plane necessay and not as Democratic socialism. 

I'm not saying change the progessive ideas, just change the way they are presented. 

We keep saying "words matter." Well they do and we should take our own advise. 

 

All of this. 
The word socialism doesn’t fly in American and certainly not when trying to court the Latino vote. 

But that doesn’t mean we throw our all progressive ideas either. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Just now, Chromatican said:

We barely managed to win with a centrist Dem who did everything in his power to reach out to Republican voters and constantly talked about reaching across the aisle. Republicans rejected Biden. The Republican Party has been using my way or the highway in politics for years, and it's worked amazingly. Time for Democrats to stop letting themselves be defined by the Fascist Party.

Dude we've turned Red states blue in this election. What part of that do you not understand? And we lost states like Florida to negative messaging against the word socialism. Florida would have flipped blue just like the mid-terms when Debbie Mucarsel-Powell and Donna Shalala won their House seats over Republicans. 

[ThisGuyTony 34,974]

1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

 

Why is it always about the “radical left, radical left!” but never the “radical right.”