berlinforme 5,300 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: Transgenders are literally imprisoned for life or even murdered in some for simply existing. Also let’s not act like it’s not still a literal hell for LGBT people. I live in the ****ing Netherlands and even here muslim homophobia is prevalent. To be honest I think what is perceived as muslim homophobia in western countries is actually more of an educational problem. I never really met any practicing muslim with a high educational degree who were homophobic. It was always those 18 year oldish guys in tracksuits who think they have to act super masculine and show their buddies they're against gay guys. And to a certain degree that has to do with the influence of religion on culture, but let's not act like all of those guys would be deeply religious. It's rather that due to a bad education they believe in very traditional heteronormative roles. And as I said before religious values have an influence on that, but I don't believe they're the deciding factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Faysalaaa said: Yeah I never claimed it was alright and that it should not end.. Don’t you think being religious and basically sharing the overall same mindset as the people committing these hate crimes is kind of adding to the problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta 5,019 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm Muslim and if anyone here is not Muslim, they should STFU and not dictate what others can or cannot be offended about. Just because Christianity has been used in every single way in pop culture and entertainment does not mean that other religions are comfortable having something sacred to them be used as a form of entertainment. The damn nerve! And you can be Muslim and gay, and not practice/exercise the ideologies that some of y'all love to throw in our face! There are MANY ignorant users on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingerella 3,170 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Sis what? Please educate me on this. I don't know what's happening here lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta 5,019 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 FYI: The same way Gaga, a very proud Christian woman, can be a woman of faith and literally also an LGBTQ+ icon is the same way Muslims can be people of faith and be non-judgemental/supportive/woke/kind and accepting people. That's not exclusive to Christianity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, berlinforme said: To be honest I think what is perceived as muslim homophobia in western countries is actually more of an educational problem. I never really met any practicing muslim with a high educational degree who were homophobic. It was always those 18 year oldish guys in tracksuits who think they have to act super masculine and show their buddies they're against gay guys. And to a certain degree that has to do with the influence of religion on culture, but let's not act like all of those guys would be deeply religious. It's rather that due to a bad education they believe in very traditional heteronormative roles. And as I said before religious values have an influence on that, but I don't believe they're the deciding factor. It still stems from what they believe. These people make not only my life worse but that of so many others. The homophobia obviously stems from the inherent belief and the lack of education is only a part of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, LittleMonster20 said: Don’t you think being religious and basically sharing the overall same mindset as the people committing these hate crimes is kind of adding to the problem? I dont share the overall same mindset as the people committing hate crimes. There is many different kind of Muslims. The majority of Muslims do not support these things being done. Which is why groups like ISIS are extremely hated by Muslims and ISIS attack us too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, OMonster said: It's irony. The song plays as gay men dressed as women strut around in a sexualised way. They are the 'infidels' - surely? It's to say 'f**k you' to extremist ideals... no? It's not to attack moderate muslims or criticise the religion as a whole... it's to fight back against the some of the resistance within it. That's my interpretation anyway. It's a religious commentary that brings light to elements of islam that needs to be challenged. Yeah I dont think she intended any of the message you explained. Clearly its just a remix she used by someone without knowing what is being said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,675 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Yeah I dont think she intended any of the message you explained. Clearly its just a remix she used by someone without knowing what is being said. You never know, though! It would be pretty cool if the meaning I suggest was intentional. It's a pretty bold statement to make. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: I dont share the overall same mindset as the people committing hate crimes. There is many different kind of Muslims. The majority of Muslims do not support these things being done. Which is why groups like ISIS are extremely hated by Muslims and ISIS attack us too. It’s still one religion, though. This isn’t me attacking you as much as expressing concern in how LGBT is generally perceived in these communities and that it’s generally still not fully supported. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlinforme 5,300 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: It still stems from what they believe. These people make not only my life worse but that of so many others. The homophobia obviously stems from the inherent belief and the lack of education is only a part of it. That I do not disagree with, where I make the difference is the culture/religion thing. Are they against homosexuality because of religious beliefs? I don't think so. Are they against homosexuality because of a hypermasculine culture where religious traditions are one factor amongst others? That would be my interpretation. For me that is just such an important difference, because I can't change their beliefs. Wouldn't want to anyway, I don't care about what people believe as long as they're not extremists of any sorts. But what can be changed is their education. With more and better education these people could develop a different and more openminded understanding of society and also of tolerance. That would bring a more accepting attitude towards others with it. Can't change actual religious beliefs, but can change education. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: It’s still one religion, though. This isn’t me attacking you as much as expressing concern in how LGBT is generally perceived in these communities and that it’s generally still not fully supported. You just want to simplify it to one religion and want to make me part of that one collective religion of islam. Things are way more complicated than that. You say me labeling myself a Muslim adds more harm? I think it does more good to reform the religion and make it socially acceptable for other Muslims to be moderate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: You just want to simplify it to one religion and want to make me part of that one collective religion of islam. Things are way more complicated than that. You say me labeling myself a Muslim adds more harm? I think it does more good to reform the religion and make it socially acceptable for other Muslims to be moderate. But is that really what’s happening? Because being muslim and not being homophobic is still not as common as the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleks 3,946 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 8 hours ago, alsemanche said: Also Shea and Gigi are in the show???? They look so good Oh ma gad, mte I don’t really care about Gigi, but Shea slayed my existence So sad this is offending some people because the song itself is a whole bop We don’t really need to talk too much, show each other what we know 🦋 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeYewWhai 2,382 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Regina George said: It does matter because you and other people are spreading misinformation disguised as facts. What you wrote literally doesn’t make any sense. Anything that can be weaponized, especially literature, whether or not that may be the true intentions of the writers is dangerous. I’m not saying ban it, I’m saying it should be up for criticism like literally every other book, institution, song, medium, etc. Nothing I said is a fact, it is was logical deduction. and in terms of the book. What I’m saying is that questioning the legitimacy of a book that is a CHOICE to follow (Meaning it is not inherently ingrained in their culture to follow rather enforced) Should be normalized. It is called freedom of speech. It is called freedom of expression. That’s what I’m saying. If there was anything else unclear, guide me through it if you want. Nothing Happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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