Smile debuts at #5

[Akiki 3,900]

2 hours ago, Mirrion Rizzons said:

Rihanna had 8 number ones from 2010-2013, she counts as a star of the early 10’s 

But her biggest hit till then it's from 2008. She is a main pop girl since then. She predates Gaga's. Beyoncé also was very well known and a big star mid 2000. 

Doesn't make sense to label them has 10's girls since they debuted 5 years prior and 10 years prior. No in this kind of comparison.

 

Beyoncé flopping now it would be 20 years into her career. Rihanna would be 15 since her first hit.

 

 

[GreenDiamond 6,286]

1 hour ago, Deagan said:

Omg I can't at some people here.

I find Smile much much better than Witness. Kesha's High Road is also a really great album. All this "no growth" bullshit is nonsense. It's not like Gaga just put out an album which shows artistic growth either.. in fact, quite the opposite. Honestly, we, Gaga fans, only have Ariana to thank for Chromatica's "sales".

The problem with Smile: it doesn't have a hit single. (Bad single choices, bad rollout)

And we shouldn't be so bad towards Katy. Look at the quality. Champagne Problems and Tucked sound totally like what is happening in pop music right now: funky disco vibes, future nostalgia. Tucked is a total teenage dream smash too. Not the End of the World sounds like a total Iggy Black Widow Dark Horse throwback. Only Love is so cute. 

 

She would still outsold her debit album week at 4x even without Ariana, sit down liddos will litteraly drag you to mud, pls first inform yourself before posting such ignorant statements or flamebaits

 

[Lucas 27,801]

35K pure including merchandise bundles 
I knew Katy would fall at some point as it's bound to happen to every singer but so much and so quick is just shocking...

Now on a shady note, I hope her fans who are brave enough in 2020 to call Gaga a flop and bully her for it will finally shut up 

[Deagan 608]

57 minutes ago, LORD GAGA said:

This is delusion. She’s just coke off the back of one of her most successful eras ever... and it was a movie soundtrack. She has proven time and time again she has no problem selling albums or music in general for that matter. 

I never said that Gaga has a problem selling albums. ASIB was artistic growth. I don't view Chromatica as that at all. Doesn't make it a bad album.

41 minutes ago, SchwineLove said:

Am about to give "thanks" reaction but then I realized this sentence, lol. Big no no sorry.

Whatever. 

36 minutes ago, Levitation said:

i dont agree with this. she wouldve sold well whether ariana was involved or not, and its shows in all of her past projects. i do agree with everything else though

Sure, imagine believing we would be looking at the same first week numbers if Rain On Me didn't drop right before the release.

33 minutes ago, C1trus said:

Oh please... Did you mean Gaga releasing the most cohesive album in her discography is not an artistic growth? Wtf? 

If that's the case, then people should have just sticked to listening only to ROM. Why would they waste their time and money to stream/buy the rest of the album if there's no Ariana in them? Right?

Sorry but Chromatica is far from her most cohesive album. Born This Way is that for me.

And no not right. Ariana pulls in a lot of attention and created a lot of exposure for Chromatica (Gaga thanked the Arianators at the VMAs and justifiably so). Without ROM, we'd very likely be looking at Stupid Love kind of performance for the album.

31 minutes ago, dynamite said:

Yeah thanks Ariana it's all because of u 

Not all, but a very big contributor. I don't understand why some of you can't accept Ariana's influence here and want to credit Gaga for everything. 

Anyway, point is that you can not attack an artist with this "no artistic growth"/"fans are over her"/"the album is forgettable" crap because I know plenty of people that think Chromatica is totally forgettable too, and that think that Chromatica is a step backwards in Gaga's "artistic growth". 

Focus on the music and stop this "flop" talk. You're not being funny. It's childish and exactly what makes fanbases so hated. At some point, I remember Little Monsters and Katycats actually getting closer during the Applause/Roar time.

 

[Animal Claws 18,665]

1 hour ago, Deagan said:

Omg I can't at some people here.

I find Smile much much better than Witness. Kesha's High Road is also a really great album. All this "no growth" bullshit is nonsense. It's not like Gaga just put out an album which shows artistic growth either.. in fact, quite the opposite. Honestly, we, Gaga fans, only have Ariana to thank for Chromatica's "sales".

The problem with Smile: it doesn't have a hit single. (Bad single choices, bad rollout)

And we shouldn't be so bad towards Katy. Look at the quality. Champagne Problems and Tucked sound totally like what is happening in pop music right now: funky disco vibes, future nostalgia. Tucked is a total teenage dream smash too. Not the End of the World sounds like a total Iggy Black Widow Dark Horse throwback. Only Love is so cute. 

 

This is the most stupid thing I could read here.

First: Gaga always sold good numbers even with her "flop" albums. If you look to Cheek To Cheek and Joanne, she didn't have hits til then, and she could sell 100-200k on first week. All of them were platinum too.

Second: What's the correlation between Ariana and Chromatica? I know she was a bit important to make the song successful, but thank her for Chromatica selling well? Wtf! Chromatica was Gaga's comeback to pop music, everybody was excited to its release, when with or without Ariana she could sell +200k. Do you really think Ariana fans will buy the album only to hear Rain On Me? Make it make sense.

Third: Yes, Chromatica IS an artist growth, it's not because you dislike the album that it means it's bad. Chromatica has a different sound from Gaga's previous works. It's house music, synthpop, eurodance, 90s inspired music. The album was acclaimed by very critics and it shows a more personal part of Gaga. It's an album important to her career and its success shows that.

[Deagan 608]

1 hour ago, GreenDiamond said:

She would still outsold her debit album week at 4x even without Ariana, sit down liddos will litteraly drag you to mud, pls first inform yourself before posting such ignorant statements or flamebaits

 

I am perfectly informed. Keep your silly liddo drag whatever blah blah. Gaga did 250k first week (your 5x) with Ariana. She would still have sold more than Smile but definitely less than she did now. Anyway, your point is? I'm posting flamebait? Everyone who posted a slightly comedic reaction to Katy's numbers here should take several looks in the mirror. Taytay, Beyonce, Adele, Ariana fans can easily drag Gaga fans through the mud sales wise cuz Chromatica really ain't doing so well at all.

Is that also because Gaga fans grew over her? Because she makes forgettable music now? Because she didn't grow artistically?

I'm not saying it. Some of you are. 

[Deagan 608]

13 minutes ago, Animal Claws said:

This is the most stupid thing I could read here.

First: Gaga always sold good numbers even with her "flop" albums. If you look to Cheek To Cheek and Joanne, she didn't have hits til then, and she could sell 100-200k on first week. All of them were platinum too.

Second: What's the correlation between Ariana and Chromatica? I know she was a bit important to make the song successful, but thank her for Chromatica selling well? Wtf! Chromatica was Gaga's comeback to pop music, everybody was excited to its release, when with or without Ariana she could sell +200k. Do you really think Ariana fans will buy the album only to hear Rain On Me? Make it make sense.

Third: Yes, Chromatica IS an artist growth, it's not because you dislike the album that it means it's bad. Chromatica has a different sound from Gaga's previous works. It's house music, synthpop, eurodance, 90s inspired music. The album was acclaimed by very critics and it shows a more personal part of Gaga. It's an album important to her career and its success shows that.

Don't put words in my mouth and get off of your high horse. I never said I disliked Chromatica. But it's definitely not a worldwide hit album and it heavily relied on the attention that Ariana still now pulls in for Gaga.

Also, marketing wise, let me explain it to you. Ariana Grande is really really big right now. She appears on an album of another artist, talks about the new Gaga record, and people TALK about it. Exposure ^ Interest ^ Sales ^.

Katy would've sold more if she released it right after Never Really Over, for example.

Also, artistic growth? Really? 

Gaga has been doing electronic dance music since the START and most of the album literally sounds like a The Fame/ARTPOP mashup. I enjoy it, but people can just as easily say Chromatica is forgettable as they can say Smile is forgettable. If you can not understand this example of how silly some of you sound thinking you're better because you stan an artist who outsold Katy Perry, that's on you.

 

[Animal Claws 18,665]

11 minutes ago, Deagan said:

Don't put words in my mouth and get off of your high horse. I never said I disliked Chromatica. But it's definitely not a worldwide hit album and it heavily relied on the attention that Ariana still now pulls in for Gaga.

Also, artistic growth? Really? 

Gaga has been doing electronic dance music since the START and most of the album literally sounds like a The Fame/ARTPOP mashup. I enjoy it, but people can just as easily say Chromatica is forgettable as they can say Smile is forgettable. If you can not understand this example of how silly some of you sound thinking you're better because you stan an artist who outsold Katy Perry, that's on you.

Let's start again, you're sounding ignorant. Chromatica IS a successful album, because:

The album was #1 in 21 countries, reached Top 5 in every charts worldwide (except Iceland)

The album sold 2M in 2 months without promotion.

Stupid Love is a top 5 PLATINUM hit. It leaked one month before its release. This is great to a '''flop''' single.

Rain On Me is a huge hit, peaked at #1 on US, top50 in 51 countries and won many awards. Another platinum single.

Gaga was always an artist that grew artistically, she did Cheek To Cheek (Jazz), Joanne (Country) and A Star Is Born CONSECUTIVELY. She experimented many genres, showed all of her power artistically and now why she can't return to her old sound for once? What's the problem?

You're mad cause your fav Katy couldn't be successful, i remember clearly of you saying Chromatica would sell less than Future Nostalgia and look what happened. You paid with your words.

[BeIIadonna 5,480]

28 minutes ago, Deagan said:

Sure, imagine believing we would be looking at the same first week numbers if Rain On Me didn't drop right before the release.

I mean... I can . I don't care really at all about charts or sales, and it's frankly something I don't have any interest in looking into anymore than I already have, but from a quick google search she only did around 4k more than Joanne, and about a 100k less than the ASIB soundtrack (which is a pretty big drop to be fair, but it does come from a movie so there's more attention drawn to it from the GP). But even that considered, I believe I've read multiple times that there weren't physicals to go with Chromatica's first week, so considering it had to to purely be from streams & iTunes (lol) sales it probably would've done quite a fair bit more than it actually did in the end.

 

[Deagan 608]

24 minutes ago, Animal Claws said:

Let's start again, you're sounding ignorant. Chromatica IS a successful album, because:

The album was #1 in 21 countries, reached Top 5 in every charts worldwide (except Iceland)

The album sold 2M in 2 months without promotion.

Stupid Love is a top 5 PLATINUM hit. It leaked one month before its release. This is great to a FLOP single.

Rain On Me is a huge hit, peaked at #1 on US, top50 in 51 countries and won many awards. Another platinum single.

Gaga was always an artist that grew artistically, she did Cheek To Cheek (Jazz), Joanne (Country) and A Star Is Born CONSECUTIVELY. She experimented many genres, showed all of her power artistically and now why she can't return to her old sound for once? What's the problem?

You're mad cause your fav Katy couldn't be successful, i remember clearly of you saying Chromatica would sell less than Future Nostalgia and look what happened. You paid with your words.

I can't. Lol.

Trollz was #1 but is it a success? Charts != success. Longevity is.

Chromatica still hasn't sold 2M btw. It currently stands at 1.485.000 while Future Nostalgia stands at 1.410.000. Just wait til Dua poops out a US tour next year.

Katy Perry my fav? Hell to the no. Kesha, Gaga, and Adam Lambert.

The hate for Katy Perry, Dua Lipa, and Kesha is stunning here. The delusion also. I am that critical Gaga fan that can clearly see that neither ROM or Chromatica are a worldwide smash hit. And Chromatica for sure doesn't fuel the arrogance that is expressed by some of you here. I'm coming to Katy Perry's defense here.

You want a hit? Don't Start Now. Blinding Lights. Watermelon Sugar. Shallow. All of which were severely snubbed at the VMAs this year and the entire world knows it.

 

 

[Animal Claws 18,665]

1 minute ago, Deagan said:

I can't. Lol.

Trollz was #1 but is it a success? Charts != success. Longevity is.

Chromatica still hasn't sold 2M btw. It currently stands at 1.485.000 while Future Nostalgia stands at 1.410.000. Just wait til Dua poops out a US tour next year.

Katy Perry my fav? Hell to the no. Kesha, Gaga, and Adam Lambert.

The hate for Katy Perry, Dua Lipa, and Kesha is stunning here. The delusion also. I am that critical Gaga fan that can clearly see that neither ROM or Chromatica are a worldwide smash hit. And Chromatica for sure doesn't fuel the arrogance that is expressed by some of you here. I'm coming to Katy Perry's defense here.

You want a hit? Don't Start Now. Blinding Lights. Watermelon Sugar. All of which were severely snubbed at the VMAs this year and the entire world knows it.

 

 

Longevity is important, but Stupid Love is platinum and a top 5 single. It's a moderate hit. Rain On Me we don't need to talk about cause it's a certified hit too. Not up to discussion.

Yes, Chromatica surpassed 2M WW if we count chartmasters, that numbers you mentioned above are from UWC, It counts some markets. They're not realible.

Chromatica made noise everywhere, didn't you see it reached Top 5 in every official charts worldwide? It's a absolute success and it's not delusion to say this. It also had longevity in many countries and she didn't promote it for 2 months.

BL and DSN are smash hits but this doesn't take the fact that Rain On Me is a hit too.

[TheQueenEnthusiast 937]

Doesn't Katy's record label contract end with this album? I read that somewhere. Don't know. If someone can clarify @ me

[Deagan 608]

17 minutes ago, Animal Claws said:

Longevity is important, but Stupid Love is platinum and a top 5 single. It's a moderate hit. Rain On Me we don't need to talk about cause it's a certified hit too. Not up to discussion.

Yes, Chromatica surpassed 2M WW if we count chartmasters, that numbers you mentioned above are from UWC, It counts some markets. They're not realible.

Chromatica made noise everywhere, didn't you see it reached Top 5 in every official charts worldwide? It's a absolute success and it's not delusion to say this. It also had longevity in many countries and she didn't promote it for 2 months.

BL and DSN are smash hits but this doesn't take the fact that Rain On Me is a hit too.

Lol. Certifications wise UWC seems perfectly reliable. Chromatica isn't certified platinum yet. Anyway the idea that you think Chromatica sold 2M in 2 months...  You mean Chartmasters.org? Please link me to the Chromatica analysis? Oh and the Future Nostalgia one :).

Here's exactly the problem. Whatever you consider a hit is different from what the world considers a "hit". I think for example, that an artist shipping 100k albums is actually already really accomplished. There are so many talented singers that never even touch that.

Just because Smile isn't a "hit" doesn't mean that Gaga fans can talk trash about Katy Perry as an artist, especially not in this "haha flop" manner. Get a grip on reality. It's childish. 

Chromatica is also not a hit. Not really anyway.

[Kimblue 7,334]

5 minutes ago, Deagan said:

Lol. Certifications wise UWC seems perfectly reliable. Chromatica isn't certified platinum yet. Anyway the idea that you think Chromatica sold 2M in 2 months...  You mean Chartmasters.org? Please link me to the Chromatica analysis? Oh and the Future Nostalgia one :).

Here's exactly the problem. Whatever you consider a hit is different from what the world considers a "hit". I think for example, that an artist shipping 100k albums is actually already really accomplished. There are so many talented singers that never even touch that.

Just because Smile isn't a "hit" doesn't mean that Gaga fans can talk trash about Katy Perry as an artist, especially not in this "haha flop" manner. Get a grip on reality. It's childish. 

Chromatica is also not a hit. Not really anyway.

Did you just say Chromatica outsold FN? So FN is a hit and Chromatica isn’t? Make it make sense.

[ThisGuyTony 31,256]

Ignore that user. It’s obvious he hates Gaga. He claimed Future Nostalgia was going to sell more than Chromatica.