flyaway 15,350 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Modern times. So you mean Ava Max? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudraCNG 14,320 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Yes. Gaga is respected among fans of rock music, heavy metal, rap, classic music, etc since she's not seen as a bland, basic, prefabricated popstar. Also she's educated in music culture, she's a pianist (not the same as just playing the piano) and she creates her own music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottom 1,842 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 yes the 2000s were a very bland time for music before she came on the scene, it was all about hip-hop and lip synching, there was no element of showbusiness anymore and she changed all that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand 2,359 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Rino said: I put "modern times" in thread's title just in case Madonna / Bowie got mentioned I don't deny their influence, since ironically it was apparent all over Gaga when she debuted. I mean, it’s not like Madonna is not modern, though. The 80s were really not that long ago! If anything, I think Madonna definitely invented the figure of the conceptual pop star/artist for women, but Gaga brought it back into the mainstream. Since Madonna in the late 80s/early 90s, I don’t think an artist was able to reach that level of success and cultural impact until Gaga. Still, I’m not sure I’d say Gaga raised the bar, but she for sure reached it (which I don’t think anyone else has). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esteban 2,295 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Gaga brings MetaPop on the table and everything changed after her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 The answer is yes but @Rino lets not shade Nicki in the poll, because Nicki has elevated the genre of hip hop while Gaga elevated pop music and culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSUNAMI 20,456 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Britney made it low brow. Gaga gave it substance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Control 2,181 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Gaga emphasized on a previous established formula by Madonna, Michael Jackson and Bowie, where a pop singer is more than just voice, beauty or body but a whole package of performance art, show business, fashion, visuals, provocation and message beside the music and lyrics. With time, music got shallower with Britney and Spice Girls and the liked in the late 90s and early 00s but Gaga brought the attention back to what Madonna revolutionized since the 80s regarding what a pop star looks like and what she can do and how to put on a show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindHML 378 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Rino said: Before Gaga I feel like the main archetype of the pop star most prominent in the global mainstream culture was Britney Spears, who was viewed as "manufactured", "inauthentic", "talentless", etc. While Gaga was also viewed as a manufactured pop star during her prime (2008-2011), her presence sparked multiple conversations analyzing her craft and generally people were quite aware that she was the guiding hand behind many of her creations She made albums with a concept, gave meanings to her songs, music videos, performances, etc. I feel like Gaga put the "art" back into the "pop artist", which was lost for a time somewhere around 90's-00's What are your thoughts GGD? Totally agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino 5,120 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, God Control said: Gaga emphasized on a previous established formula by Madonna, Michael Jackson and Bowie, where a pop singer is more than just voice, beauty or body but a whole package of performance art, show business, fashion, visuals, provocation and message beside the music and lyrics. With time, music got shallower with Britney and Spice Girls and the liked in the late 90s and early 00s but Gaga brought the attention back to what Madonna revolutionized since the 80s regarding what a pop star looks like and what she can do and how to put on a show. so well put, 100% agree 月にかわって、おしおきよ！🌙 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1trus 4,230 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Yes. Before her debut, I only see pop music as something you listen/dance to and that's it (early 2000s). But when Gaga came, I became intrigued to what the singer looked like, the album/single cover art, the concept, how is it performed live, etc. Yeah, she showed the maximum potential of Pop. ι'м ρυℓℓιηg үσυя sтяιηgs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Twitter said: Nicki has elevated the genre of hip hop whi I have to laugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Control 2,181 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Rino said: so well put, 100% agree Thanks 🥰🥰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 16,602 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Experiencing this in real time was absolutely *un*real. She was truly a phenomena unlike anything I had seen in my life and made me excited about a genre I had characterized as vapid and artificial. Lady Gaga's emergence onto the pop scene broadened my perspective about what was possible in fashion, pop culture, theatre/performance art, society...I honestly wouldn't be the person that I am today if Lady Gaga hadn't arrived how and when she did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, Runway said: I have to laugh Instead of laughing, state why you disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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