Billie Eilish: Register to vote, vote for Biden

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Just now, Whispering said:

Obama had to repair the disastrous economy that Bush left him with. He kept us from going into a depression. Unlike Trump, he and his administration worked tirelessly to turn a recession around. 

Democrats are not center right. This is an American Election. This thread is about registering to vote in the US, not Europe.

Okay? That is not an excuse. Nor is it anything new since Bill Clinton tried to the same fake populism **** w 0 major recession to speak of in his primary/campaign. 

And yes they are. The party leaders are. The base isnt. Things like communism exist. America’s has a communist party in the past too. Objective fact doesn’t end outside the US border. Plus they are running father and farther to the far right too thanks to moderate republican thirst votes... which is basically what the leadership is now. 

[Morphine Prince 106,305]

10 hours ago, Whispering said:

He won by two votes per precinct in swing states.

Yep, white folks that were okay with racism. 

I don’t understand why you think it’s that simple but go ahead. 

I guess putting a black woman on the ticket was a bad move then? Racists couldn’t possibly swing back to Biden? 

Of course they could. It’s not just about racism. It’s not that simple. 

[Whispering 18,865]

13 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

I don’t understand why you think it’s that simple but go ahead. 

I guess putting a black woman on the ticket was a bad move then? Racists couldn’t possibly swing back to Biden? 

Of course they could. It’s not just about racism. It’s not that simple. 

 

“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically. 

“White voters with racially conservative or anti-immigrant attitudes switched votes to Trump at a higher rate than those with more liberal views on these issues,” the paper’s authors write. “We find little evidence that economic dislocation and marginality were significantly related to vote switching in 2016.”

This new paper fits with a sizeable slate of studies conducted over the past 18 months or so, most of which have come to the same conclusions: There is tremendous evidence that Trump voters were motivated by racial resentment (as well as hostile sexism), and very little evidence that economic stress had anything to do with it.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm

“...voting for Obama once or even twice doesn’t automatically mean that someone is not prejudiced against black people or immigrants. It’s possible to support Obama in particular while maintaining overall anti-black or anti-immigrant attitudes. In those cases, some other factor, like the Iraq War catastrophe or financial collapse, may have predominated over white voters’ racial hang-ups in the 2008 and 2012 election.

A second reason is that Obama’s very presence in office was racially polarizing. Michael Tesler, a scholar at the University of California-Irvine, has documented in detail how Obama’s very presence in the White House polarized America along racial lines. It would make sense that this effect would grow stronger the longer Obama was in office, setting the stage for a major backlash in his final year.

“...this analysis of the election is supported by a wide and deep body of research, the vast majority of which shows that concerns about identity and race were the decisive issues in the 2016 election. This was true in the Republican primary and the general; it’s also consistent with research on far-right parties in Europe whose xenophobic appeals are similar to Trump’s. There is a complete lack of statistical evidence, by contrast, for the “economic anxiety” theory.“

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/economic-anxiety-didnt-make-people-vote-trump-racism-did/

https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class-trump/

https://psmag.com/news/new-study-confirms-again-that-race-not-economics-drove-former-democrats-to-trump

“For many, Obama’s presidency was proof that the country was rising to its ideals of liberty and equality. When a Black man climbed to the highest office in the land, it signified that the nation was postracial, or at least that history was inexorably bending in that direction. The Obama administration itself boasted that it was fighting the remnants of racism—a mop-up operation in a war that was all but won.

Across American history, racial progress has normally been followed by its opposite.”

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“The America that denied its racism through the Obama years has struggled to deny its racism through the Trump years. From 1977 to 2018, the General Social Survey asked whether Black Americans “have worse jobs, income, and housing than white people … mainly due to discrimination.” There are only two answers to this question. The racist answer is “no”—it presumes that racist discrimination no longer exists and that racial inequities are the result of something being wrong with Black people. The anti-racist answer is “yes”—it presumes that nothing is wrong or right, inferior or superior, about any racial group, so the explanation for racial disparities must be discrimination.

In 2008, as Obama was headed for the White House, only 34.5 percent of respondents answered “yes,” a number I’ll call the anti-racist rate. This was the second-lowest anti-racist rate of the 41-year polling period. The rate rose to 37.7 percent in 2010, perhaps because the emergence of the Tea Party forced a reckoning for some white Americans, but it fell back down to 34.9 percent in 2012 and 34.6 percent in 2014.

In 2016, as Trump loomed over American politics, the anti-racist rate rose to 42.6 percent. It went up to 46.2 percent in 2018, a double-digit increase from the start of the Obama administration. In large part, shifts in white public opinion explain the jump. The white anti-racist rate was barely 29.8 percent in 2008. It jumped to 37.7 percent in 2016 and to 40.5 percent two years into Trump’s presidency.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/the-end-of-denial/614194/

 

 

[Morphine Prince 106,305]

1 hour ago, Whispering said:

 

“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically. 

“White voters with racially conservative or anti-immigrant attitudes switched votes to Trump at a higher rate than those with more liberal views on these issues,” the paper’s authors write. “We find little evidence that economic dislocation and marginality were significantly related to vote switching in 2016.”

This new paper fits with a sizeable slate of studies conducted over the past 18 months or so, most of which have come to the same conclusions: There is tremendous evidence that Trump voters were motivated by racial resentment (as well as hostile sexism), and very little evidence that economic stress had anything to do with it.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm

“...voting for Obama once or even twice doesn’t automatically mean that someone is not prejudiced against black people or immigrants. It’s possible to support Obama in particular while maintaining overall anti-black or anti-immigrant attitudes. In those cases, some other factor, like the Iraq War catastrophe or financial collapse, may have predominated over white voters’ racial hang-ups in the 2008 and 2012 election.

A second reason is that Obama’s very presence in office was racially polarizing. Michael Tesler, a scholar at the University of California-Irvine, has documented in detail how Obama’s very presence in the White House polarized America along racial lines. It would make sense that this effect would grow stronger the longer Obama was in office, setting the stage for a major backlash in his final year.

“...this analysis of the election is supported by a wide and deep body of research, the vast majority of which shows that concerns about identity and race were the decisive issues in the 2016 election. This was true in the Republican primary and the general; it’s also consistent with research on far-right parties in Europe whose xenophobic appeals are similar to Trump’s. There is a complete lack of statistical evidence, by contrast, for the “economic anxiety” theory.“

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/economic-anxiety-didnt-make-people-vote-trump-racism-did/

https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class-trump/

https://psmag.com/news/new-study-confirms-again-that-race-not-economics-drove-former-democrats-to-trump

“For many, Obama’s presidency was proof that the country was rising to its ideals of liberty and equality. When a Black man climbed to the highest office in the land, it signified that the nation was postracial, or at least that history was inexorably bending in that direction. The Obama administration itself boasted that it was fighting the remnants of racism—a mop-up operation in a war that was all but won.

Across American history, racial progress has normally been followed by its opposite.”

————————

“The America that denied its racism through the Obama years has struggled to deny its racism through the Trump years. From 1977 to 2018, the General Social Survey asked whether Black Americans “have worse jobs, income, and housing than white people … mainly due to discrimination.” There are only two answers to this question. The racist answer is “no”—it presumes that racist discrimination no longer exists and that racial inequities are the result of something being wrong with Black people. The anti-racist answer is “yes”—it presumes that nothing is wrong or right, inferior or superior, about any racial group, so the explanation for racial disparities must be discrimination.

In 2008, as Obama was headed for the White House, only 34.5 percent of respondents answered “yes,” a number I’ll call the anti-racist rate. This was the second-lowest anti-racist rate of the 41-year polling period. The rate rose to 37.7 percent in 2010, perhaps because the emergence of the Tea Party forced a reckoning for some white Americans, but it fell back down to 34.9 percent in 2012 and 34.6 percent in 2014.

In 2016, as Trump loomed over American politics, the anti-racist rate rose to 42.6 percent. It went up to 46.2 percent in 2018, a double-digit increase from the start of the Obama administration. In large part, shifts in white public opinion explain the jump. The white anti-racist rate was barely 29.8 percent in 2008. It jumped to 37.7 percent in 2016 and to 40.5 percent two years into Trump’s presidency.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/the-end-of-denial/614194/

 

 

No one is denying race played a factor. To say it was the only reason for the key voters who put Trump in office in swing states is far fetched. You can't ignore everything else.

I ask again, why did Biden put a black woman in the VP spot? Wouldn't this be a bad strategy? If you use this logic.

 

 

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

No one is denying race played a factor. To say it was the only reason for the key voters who put Trump in office in swing states is far fetched. You can't ignore everything else.

I ask again, why did Biden put a black woman in the VP spot? Wouldn't this be a bad strategy? If you use this logic.

 

 

These are the articles I’ve seen over the last three years. The articles from Vox and The Atlantic are written very well, with facts to support their pieces. You should read them.

Because the black demographic and suburban women make up a great deal  of Democratic voters. Also, maybe like in 2016 when racial progress was followed by the opposite, they are hoping that blatant racism will be followed by the opposite. Perhaps it is a hopeful choice. 

[Morphine Prince 106,305]

7 hours ago, Whispering said:

These are the articles I’ve seen over the last three years. The articles from Vox and The Atlantic are written very well, with facts to support their pieces. You should read them.

Because the black demographic and suburban women make up a great deal  of Democratic voters. Also, maybe like in 2016 when racial progress was followed by the opposite, they are hoping that blatant racism will be followed by the opposite. Perhaps it is a hopeful choice. 

I just can’t comprehend how you’re STILL thinking it all boils down to one issue. As if people were one dimensional.

Correct, but if it does not, Kamala was a risky choice then. 

[Bradley 59,199]

On 8/20/2020 at 10:12 AM, alsemanche said:

If she shares the same values as Biden then maybe I'll have to stop stanning here yikes

Most of the artists I hear supporting Biden are not saying he's perfect. It's just that he's the better alternative to Trump that has a real chance of beating him.