Guest Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 hours ago, DavieX said: I mean don't get me wrong it is good that they love her and want the best for her but my issue with these kinda things is that the people that want to change the world and make it "better" usually don't have their own lives in order, They take on a bigger challenges/problems while their own lives are in urgent need of attention. To quote Professor Jordan Peterson: "If you can't even clean up your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world?" So why are you assuming they dont have their life in order? Is this projection? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavieX 330 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said: So why are you assuming they dont have their life in order? Is this projection? Why do you guys get on the defensive? I was just giving my opinion on the subject, I wasn't looking to change minds or to stop those fans from doing what they are doing. It's ok to have a different opinion you know? TRUMP 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavieX 330 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Gimme More said: This is the most ridiculous thing I have read, the woman doesn't even have her own basic human rights you make it out like that's fine and not worth fighting for please don't respond to this comment if you're going to go along the same lines But the whole thing is a family matter that really doesn't concern us fans. Yes, we love her and want the best for her but even Jamiee Lynn said that britney fans don't have the right to speak about her wellbeing. Sorry but It feels like we are being intrusive. TRUMP 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, DavieX said: Why do you guys get on the defensive? I was just giving my opinion on the subject, I wasn't looking to change minds or to stop those fans from doing what they are doing. It's ok to have a different opinion you know? Yeah you should give your opinion even if I disagree with it. I have no problem with what you said which is why I was not defensive. But I did question you later when you used the excuse that people dont have their life togather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme More 35,248 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, DavieX said: But the whole thing is a family matter that really doesn't concern us fans. Yes, we love her and want the best for her but even Jamiee Lynn said that britney fans don't have the right to speak about her wellbeing. Sorry but It feels like we are being intrusive. Obviously it concerns us if we thought everything was fine and we were supporting the Britney Brand to only find out she is being exploited and barely has any access to what the money she earns. Of course we are not going to be happy finding out her team are stealing her money and she is being given drugs and forced into mental health facilities against her will - which SHE confirmed last year in court. I don't understand how you don't get this is wrong, she has little to no say in her life and she is nearly 40! Stop saying it is not our business when we are only looking out for her best interests. It's disgusting how you say it's a family matter when her fans seem to care more - Lynne seems the only decent one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavieX 330 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gimme More said: Obviously it concerns us if we thought everything was fine and we were supporting the Britney Brand to only find out she is being exploited and barely has any access to what the money she earns. Of course we are not going to be happy finding out her team are stealing her money and she is being given drugs and forced into mental health facilities against her will - which SHE confirmed last year in court. I don't understand how you don't get this is wrong, she has little to no say in her life and she is nearly 40! Stop saying it is not our business when we are only looking out for her best interests. It's disgusting how you say it's a family matter when her fans seem to care more - Lynne seems the only decent one. I see you are passionate about the matter and I totally respect that but again it is not our bussness, at least I don't see it that way. TRUMP 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsleepOnTheCeiling 6,163 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 8 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Britney is still not allowed to have her own lawyer or fight this in court, the only reason why shes allowed to go to court now is because her mom saw concerning FreeBritney comments and decided to fight for her daughter. That's not entirely correct. Britney and the conservators speak to the court routinely, every three months to discuss how the conservatorship is going. An independent court investigator is involved also and speaks with Britney directly. She can ask to end the conservatorship, without filing any formal paperwork. Also, other members of her family can request to end the conservatorship. Her conservators can't put her in a mental health treatment facility either. And lastly, the conservators have to keep account of wherever Britney's money goes, and they cannot simply siphon money from her account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, justhislife said: That's not entirely correct. Britney and the conservators speak to the court routinely, every three months to discuss how the conservatorship is going. An independent court investigator is involved also and speaks with Britney directly. She can ask to end the conservatorship, without filing any formal paperwork. Also, other members of her family can request to end the conservatorship. Her conservators can't put her in a mental health treatment facility either. And lastly, the conservators have to keep account of wherever Britney's money goes, and they cannot simply siphon money from her account. Britney can only speak to court if her father gives her permission. Her father hired his choice of lawyer to speak on behalf of Britney. Britney only started to directly talk to court when her mother brought in her own lawyer. Britney still is not allowed to have her own lawyer to represent her, its either her mom or dads lawyer. Britney cant end the conservatorship, shes been asking for it to end for 12 years, we have court files of her requesting that. According to court files, Britney herself told the judge she was forced into a mental health facility. Nobody is saying her conservators are stealing all her money, but there is obviously loopholes to how to justify some money being spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsleepOnTheCeiling 6,163 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Britney can only speak to court if her father gives her permission. Her father hired his choice of lawyer to speak on behalf of Britney. Britney only started to directly talk to court when her mother brought in her own lawyer. Britney still is not allowed to have her own lawyer to represent her, its either her mom or dads lawyer. Britney cant end the conservatorship, shes been asking for it to end for 12 years, we have court files of her requesting that. According to court files, Britney herself told the judge she was forced into a mental health facility. Nobody is saying her conservators are stealing all her money, but there is obviously loopholes to how to justify some money being spent. Well I've been trying to find these court documents for a while and haven't been able to get a hold of them. If you have a link I'd love to see them. The things you are describing do not go along with what a conservatorship is according to California's legal information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, justhislife said: Well I've been trying to find these court documents for a while and haven't been able to get a hold of them. If you have a link I'd love to see them. The things you are describing do not go along with what a conservatorship is according to California's legal information. I agree that her dad cant force her into a mental facility, but that is what Britney said in court. Maybe she meant he forced her by threatening her with kids costudy or pressured her? I have no idea. What court file document specifically do you want, because they are from different dates, some 2008 and some 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdaines 209 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, DavieX said: But the whole thing is a family matter that really doesn't concern us fans. Yes, we love her and want the best for her but even Jamiee Lynn said that britney fans don't have the right to speak about her wellbeing. Sorry but It feels like we are being intrusive. Are you saying that abuse is a family matter that should never be dealt with it even questioned by people who notice signs from outside the family? Because that would be a rather remarkable proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdaines 209 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said: Britney can only speak to court if her father gives her permission. Her father hired his choice of lawyer to speak on behalf of Britney. Britney only started to directly talk to court when her mother brought in her own lawyer. Britney still is not allowed to have her own lawyer to represent her, its either her mom or dads lawyer. Britney cant end the conservatorship, shes been asking for it to end for 12 years, we have court files of her requesting that. According to court files, Britney herself told the judge she was forced into a mental health facility. Nobody is saying her conservators are stealing all her money, but there is obviously loopholes to how to justify some money being spent. As an attorney, this just doesn't sound like an accurate description of how the legal system works. I'm not an expert on California conservatorship laws, but I would be shocked if Britney really had no way of communicating her interest in ending the arrangement or hiring her own lawyer to represent her position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, pdaines said: As an attorney, this just doesn't sound like an accurate description of how the legal system works. I'm not an expert on California conservatorship laws, but I would be shocked if Britney really had no way of communicating her interest in ending the arrangement or hiring her own lawyer to represent her position. She can’t even choose her own doctor and you think they’d let her choose her own lawyer? She did back in 2009 and her father sued that lawyer and ordered restrictions against him. So she can’t really do that. Look into this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdaines 209 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: I agree that her dad cant force her into a mental facility, but that is what Britney said in court. Maybe she meant he forced her by threatening her with kids costudy or pressured her? I have no idea. What court file document specifically do you want, because they are from different dates, some 2008 and some 2019 I would also like to see a copy of any court document that includes a transcript where Britney is alleging abuse or where she is alleging that she is being restrained from legally contesting her--plus any documents showing the response from the other side and the resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdaines 209 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Regina George said: She can’t even choose her own doctor and you think they’d let her choose her own lawyer? She did back in 2009 and her father sued that lawyer and ordered restrictions against him. So she can’t really do that. Look into this case. That's completely different. Hypothetically, the doctor might have been appointed within the conservator relationship. Similarly, the conservator relationship might include appointing a general purpose lawyer. But the legal system must afford her a way to reasonably contest the existence of the relationship itself, and it would be a classic conflict of interest for the person benefiting from the relationship to be in control of the representation of the perspective that it should be terminated. Even if the judge determined that Britney was not competent to hire an attorney for this purpose, the judge could likely have had one appointed on her behalf to represent her interests to the extent that they diverge from the conservator's. I find it difficult to believe (without evidence and actual research) that Britney's interest in ending her conservatorship is being represented by an attorney appointed by her father, as you seem to suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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