Regina George 59,387 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, LadariousGarage said: So this may be TOTAL misinformation and I may be mixing some stuff up with the Bosnian war, but didn't Serbia (at the time known as Yugoslavia, during the downfall of Communism) essentially wage ethnic cleansing against Kosovar Albanians from Kosovo? I don't know much about this whole situation, and I would love to learn more from people on both sides, but from what I heard Serbia did some pretty f*cked up sh*t to Albanians in Kosovo during the 90's (as well as Bosniak muslims in Bosnia and Herzegovina though that may be unrelated) I dunno, feel free to correct me if this is incorrect. I don't know much about the politics of the area. You are completely right. Not only Albanians, but Bosnians and Croats. They wanted to take the territory by killing people. People from Kosovo are doing it without violence and are only claiming their land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Regina George said: You are completely right. Not only Albanians, but Bosnians and Croats. They wanted to take the territory by killing people. People from Kosovo are doing it without violence and are only claiming their land. Where are you girl? ive noticed that you dont post as much, we miss you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameMonster01 7,071 Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Regina George said: Albanians are not Turkish people. They are people who lived there long before and only changed their religion when Ottomans came to Balkan. Claiming they are Turkish people who came to Balkan 500 years ago is nonsense. As for Kosovo huge majority of people who live on Kosovo claim Serbia is not their country and that their country is Kosovo. And their opinion is the only one that matters. I don’t know why you mentioned Bosnia but same goes for Bosnia. Bosniaks are HUGE majority in Bosnia and they lived there for thousands of years and only changed their religion when Ottomans came. They were Bogomils before. People who identify as Bosniaks make huge majority of 50%, Serbs less than 30% and Croats less then 15% yet they somehow want to claim it as their own which is nonsense. I know that Albanians aren't Turks, but the Albanians living in modern territory of Serbia weren't to be found prior to Turkish invasion of the Balkans. The picture Dua shared includes parts of Serbian territory like Nis ( COMPLETELY irrelevant to albanians, and sandzak area which again, isn't relevant to Albanians). As for Kosovo, i agree logically with their independence, now you can't change anything about it, 95% are albanians and it should be so, it's another story if things would be different, but they're not ( due to many factors). I brought up Bosnia because the map that Dua shows includes parts of Greece, Montenegro and Serbia where Albanians are only a small minority, yet they claim it as a part of their territory. That's why I said that if we were to go by that logic, both Croats and Serbs could claim Bosnia, because we are in fact native to Bosnia, but if every country went into that way of thinking, world war 2 would never be stopped. That's why my OG point is. She should've stayed silent with that nationalistic picture that does no good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurem 17,800 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, FameMonster01 said: But, this particular situation, isn't just about Kosovo, how come you don't get it I'm not really aware of the message behind the latest Dua's post, but I've seen Serbs coming for her for YEARS. In fact, it's lowkey hilarious to see them meltdown every time they hear her name, they literally can't stand her. All because she said Kosovo wasn't Serbia in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameMonster01 7,071 Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, Hurem said: I'm not really aware of the message behind the latest Dua's post, but I've seen Serbs coming for her for YEARS. In fact, it's lowkey hilarious to see them meltdown every time they hear her name, they literally can't stand her. All because she said Kosovo wasn't Serbia in the past. Let me explain this to you on a personal level so that you can relate to it! Imagine if one day Severina posted a picture of NDH that covers the area of whole bosnia, syrmia in serbia, and a little bit of coastal montenegro. How would you react? Dua is doing exactly that, sharing pictures that belong to a facist ideology Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, FameMonster01 said: I know that Albanians aren't Turks, but the Albanians living in modern territory of Serbia weren't to be found prior to Turkish invasion of the Balkans. The picture Dua shared includes parts of Serbian territory like Nis ( COMPLETELY irrelevant to albanians, and sandzak area which again, isn't relevant to Albanians). As for Kosovo, i agree logically with their independence, now you can't change anything about it, 95% are albanians and it should be so, it's another story if things would be different, but they're not ( due to many factors). I brought up Bosnia because the map that Dua shows includes parts of Greece, Montenegro and Serbia where Albanians are only a small minority, yet they claim it as a part of their territory. That's why I said that if we were to go by that logic, both Croats and Serbs could claim Bosnia, because we are in fact native to Bosnia, but if every country went into that way of thinking, world war 2 would never be stopped. That's why my OG point is. She should've stayed silent with that nationalistic picture that does no good I truly believe she is not aware of what she posted really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaEnigma 1,474 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, Lemonky said: Vučić im godinama truje mozak pitanjem o Kosovu ne bi li skrenuo pažnju s drugih problema i omogućio si još veću moć... Svejedno, ne shvaćam što i dalje imaju komplekse da svojataju cijeli Balkan - mi smo im pokatoličeni Srbi, Bošnjaci su turski Srbi (a Srbija bila turski pašaluk hahaha), Makedonci i Crnogorci južni Srbi... Dok ne sazriju u tom smislu, neće ni napredovati, nije ni čudo da su na ekonomskom i društvenom začelju Europe lol Ovo je samo jedan mali deo razloga zasto je AV ocajan predsednik i trebao je odavno da bude smenjen PS. Pisem ovo kao Srpkinja jer ga zapravo vecina ljudi ovde i ne podrzava ni u cemu sto radi, bez obzira na "rezultate" skorasnjih namestenih izbora... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dulo Peep said: Where are you girl? ive noticed that you dont post as much, we miss you! I’m busy with university and I literally don’t have time for anything Hopefully I’ll be more active on the break.. Miss y’all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameMonster01 7,071 Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, Regina George said: I truly believe she is not aware of what she posted really. Well she should address the damage she's done People cancelled others for way less, why would we make a difference It's one thing to show patriotism, this is another level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameMonster01 7,071 Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Regina George said: I’m busy with university and I literally don’t have time for anything Hopefully I’ll be more active on the break.. Miss y’all jos ti traje ispitni rok? ufff imma pray for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, FameMonster01 said: jos ti traje ispitni rok? ufff imma pray for you Da! Do 27. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dit 46,473 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 This is an expansionist map BUT I do not think she meant it with an expansionist intent. I think she meant these are the lands that Albanians have been roaming in for thousands of years (and it is true...all those regions at least have an Albanian minority or majority population). This does not mean those areas need to be incorporated into Albania. It just means that these are what Albanians views as their ancestors lands. I hope that is her view otherwise an expansionist ideology is a bad one. I mean look at Serbia's horrible expansionist agenda towards Kosovo...fighting fire with fire is bad for both sides imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurem 17,800 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, FameMonster01 said: Let me explain this to you on a personal level so that you can relate to it! Imagine if one day Severina posted a picture of NDH that covers the area of whole bosnia, syrmia in serbia, and a little bit of coastal montenegro. How would you react? Dua is doing exactly that, sharing pictures that belong to a facist ideology Thanks for explaining. A damn mess. I hope Dua realizes the mistake on her part. I've been seeing people coming for her for days and she tweeted this only a couple of hours ago, though? Did something happen recently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dit 46,473 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 hours ago, FameMonster01 said: I am from the balkans ( where Albania is) and let me tell you, most of these countries only have a small minority of albanians living there, most of Albanians living on the land of Serbia, for example, came during the turkish/ottoman invasion 500 years ago. I would not call them the natives if they were only living in Serbia since 500 years ago, since Serbia has a way greater history than 500 years ago! Also Croats and Serbs are native people of Bosnia, yet it is forbidden to claim Bosnia as their " land". My point is, it's a veeery complex issue and she made a grave mistake spreading propaganda. She really shouldn't have touched into this topic hey! I agree with most of your posts in this thread even though I am a huge supporter of Kosovo's independence and against Serbia's expansionist attitude towards Kosovo. With that said can you please edit this post and add a part that explains that Albanians are indigenous to Europe? Many people will read this post and think you meant Ottomans brought Albanians to the Balkans when they have been in the Balkans far longer than Slavic people who only migrated there around the 6th century. I know that you meant Ottomans settled Albanians in the region of Kosovo but it came across as if you said Albanian's history in the Balkans only dates 500 years when this is obviously not true as their history is even older in the region than all Slavic people there. thanks you and I hope this is read in a respectful tone as i mean it with all my respect and just want it to be clarified. Thank you again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameMonster01 7,071 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, dit said: hey! I agree with most of your posts in this thread even though I am a huge supporter of Kosovo's independence and against Serbia's expansionist attitude towards Kosovo. With that said can you please edit this post and add a part that explains that Albanians are indigenous to Europe? Many people will read this post and think you meant Ottomans brought Albanians to the Balkans when they have been in the Balkans far longer than Slavic people who only migrated there around the 6th century. I know that you meant Ottomans settled Albanians in the region of Kosovo but it came across as if you said Albanian's history in the Balkans only dates 500 years when this is obviously not true as their history is even older in the region than all Slavic people there. thanks you and I hope this is read in a respectful tone as i mean it with all my respect and just want it to be clarified. Thank you again! Sure will do! Thank you for being so reasonable! I am really trying to negotiate between the two parts, personally I am not pro Kosovo, but it's for the people of Kosovo to decide, yet I want to clarify of how wrong Dua was. So thank you for being reasonable enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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