Charts Discussion

[JustJames 968]

The best use of VMAs is awareness of the album. Bumping 'Rain On Me' #80 - #20 for 2 wks is NOT worth it, when it will be heard / seen during the ceremony. Had the plug not been pulled / it was hovering Top 20 come the VMAs, a boost into the Top 10 may have helped it get a Grammy, but that ship's sailed. She needs to make people aware of Chromatica and have them listen to other tracks, alone or before/ after ROM.

Million Reasons (#52 pre-SB) has recurrent streams of >200k/day: 200% more than Chromatica non-singles. If she can perform 4 tracks that peak @~400k + end @~200k, that's ~.5mil streams daily. With ROM headed to ~750m/1b + SL ~500m + SC ~300m long-term, 4+ tracks at SC's level would be big (SPS, certs, Grammys, etc.)

1. Chromatica I > Alice (intro; verse / chorus 1) : "Alice" would be a strong open (lyrics hit hard / fit album's theme); only album cut to Chart release week. 
2. Free Woman (verse / chorus 2) : "Free Woman" has had playlist exposure + potential future visuals / accoustic remixes.
-- Monologue (Mental Health) --
3. Chromatica II > 911 + Enigma + Replay (medley/mashup) : "Chromatica II" > "911" gives a platform to discuss mental health using 1 of the most popular album tracks (consistently a top-streamed song).
-- Monologue (VMA/Celebration) --
4. Babylon (full) : "Babylon" is a perfect finale (+several remixes and visuals ready). 

INTRO: Chromatica I plays during intro / camera pans across mountainscape; lights dim, and Gaga speaks  first lines of "Alice." Lights on (LG on top of mountain); sings verse 1 "could you pull me out of this alive?" > chorus as she makes it to center-stage. 
MAIN: "Free Woman" (verse 2 + chorus 2); monologue on mental health as Chromatica II begins, fading to medley of "911," "Enigma," "Replay". 
FINALE: Gaga thanks MTV / celebrates 10+ years in music; "Babylon" performed in full.

This would push Alice, Free Woman, 911, and Babylon into those 400k peak/200k recurrent levels, IMO. I don't know if time permits for a mashup in the middle, but Replay is a great track, and Enigma would be tie perfectly into promo for her LV Residency. Ideally, MTV could allow for Rain On Me to close out the entire ceremony separately if it wins big, but I don't see that happening, and would sacrifice it to see at least those first 4 get some love long-term.  

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Miley Cyrus has been announced as performing at the VMAs 

Will 2020 serve revenge for 2013? 

[Gaby15 13,360]

 

[lifeasgeorge 9,427]

8 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Miley Cyrus has been announced as performing at the VMAs 

Will 2020 serve revenge for 2013? 

I don't think we have to worry about miley this time around; I don't think her career can really take a controversial performance like her 2013 one. Plus i'm not sure how she'd turn Midnight Sky into the most talked about performance tbh. I think she should focus on showing off some good vocals, I think the song sells itself 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Just now, lifeasgeorge said:

I don't think we have to worry about miley this time around; I don't think her career can really take a controversial performance like her 2013 one. Plus i'm not sure how she'd turn Midnight Sky into the most talked about performance tbh. I think she should focus on showing off some good vocals, I think the song sells itself 

It’s not Miley I’m worried about. It’s MTV. They were the ones that forced Gaga to change her original 2013 performance, yet allow Miley to twerk her way to all the headlines. I hope MTV doesn’t use Gaga again just for the ratings, only to let others shine brighter.

[lifeasgeorge 9,427]

Just now, Lord Temptation said:

It’s not Miley I’m worried about. It’s MTV. They were the ones that forced Gaga to change her original 2013 performance, yet allow Miley to twerk her way to all the headlines. I hope MTV doesn’t use Gaga again just for the ratings, only to let others shine brighter.

Ah I see, yeah I hope the rumors of the medley are true and that gaga has full artistic control over the performance. MTV needs gaga after their ratings dropping steadily tbh

I feel like during the blackout gaga was really working hard and we will be in for a surprise  at least I hope lol

[joesuda 798]

2 hours ago, n1kos said:

Does anyone knows the total streams of each female artist? 

I know only for Ariana, she's #1 with 20.5B 

You can check the streams at this website: https://chartmasters.org/spotify-streaming-numbers-tool/

However this website takes a very long time to load the stats so you have to be patient. 

[Drin Lon 7,875]

2 hours ago, JustJames said:

Following the mental gymnastics in this thread since SL debuted has been exhausting. "See? I told you she'd resume promo!" adds to a growing, tiresome list of justifications that simply aren't needed. The discussion re: promo wasn't whether between now > retirement Gaga would mention Chromatica. It was about the slow, painful deaths of 2 songs + 1 album w/ massive debuts on every platform / metric.
1. "Gaga's streaming poison." / "We can't compare her to streaming-era artists like Dua."
2. "Promo is dead in 2020; she wouldn't get much of a boost anyway!"
3. "HAC-Ga is what the GP wants!"

Chromatica had the 1 of the biggest debuts of '20 / ROM is STILL in the Top 10 on Spotify, comparable to all those younger pop-stars. HAC-Ga did great; but, the debut stats for everything Chromatica (streams, Charts, Pop Radio peaks, MC, retroactive reviews of ARTPOP) all indicate massive demand for DANCE-Ga. 

Chromatica non-singles earn < 100k streams/day. There's no logical way to conclude how fans, let alone the GP, feel about Chromatica, because they have NO IDEA it exists. When her dance hits (released 10+ yrs prior to Spotify) earn > 300k/day, the hypothesis that the GENRE of her music is to blame for any under-performance is very unlikely. 

Pulling ROM from Pop Radio was a disaster, regardless of who did it / why. Callouts have no correlation to PR on stations like Z100, where 'RITMO,' 'Circles,' and other songs w/ horrible callouts have been overplayed for > 1 year. There were 2 key moments that could've had a MAJOR impact on the longevity / success of this era:

1. Stupid Love (~Week #7): after a ~2-month run near #30, SL dropped to ~#60, while being pulled from Pop Radio; had a deal been for ROM, this could've made sense. But, ROM never received the Pop Radio support expected to keep it Top 10 all summer.
a) Keeping SL on Pop Radio would've allowed it to Chart ~4-6 weeks more total and ~2 more Top 40 post-album release. (+continued weekly promo from BB)
b) Having SL alive on the Charts during ROM/album promo week would've given more exposure / Gaga a true solo hit from the era w/ steady Radio + BB100 presence. 
c) 2 singles in the Top 40 to carry the album would've been a lot more beneficial to getting deeper cuts exposure >05/29.

2. Rain On Me (~Week #4/9): ROM's peers on BB100 ("Savage," "Blueberry Faygo") had enough points to fight the debuts / album bombs of the last ~6 wks; ROM should've had no problem keeping up w/ those after its initial drop to #10.
a) The week it dropped to #11 was the first miss. ANY digital content / signed copies / pre-recorded perf. could've kept it Top 10.
b) Following an avoidable tumble, ~Week 9 was the next big miss; allowing it to enter ACR in the UK without attempting to prevent it was insanity given its massive success there. Likewise, US Pop Radio would've kept it Top 20 until VMAs, as every other metric has stablilized. W/ no Single #3 to make room for, there's literally no rationale.

The buzz re: VMAs perf. shows how promo impacts Gaga / her discography. We KNOW this. From getting Million Reasons ~Top 50 after PI bombed via the Dive Bar Tour, Victoria's Secret, etc. / Til It Happens To You entering the Hot 100 post-Grammys / Bad Romance re-entering the Hot 100 post-SB. SL could've easily had a 12-wk run (~8 or so Top 40), Chromatica should've easily clocked 3-4 wks atop BB200, and ROM should've bounced between #5-10 since its peak. 

This

Interscope HATES her and she clearly isn’t a priority to them

[Genuine Guy 09 13,941]

No song that debuts like ROM, on top of a 12 percent burnout is likely to get kept on a radio format. Radio drop it organically. 10 days Before 'My Future' debut ROM was receiving -0.4 updates on pop  it happened to other pop girls like Katy. I told everyone on this thread multiple times that it was getting dropped by big stations two weeks before callouts

No label wants their artist to flop, they want the best. You can't push a song radio doesn't want and you can't keep a song high on a playlist if the curators don't want (that's more a grey area)

If a song is getting dropped, debuts with bad callouts that don't improve then chances are it's getting pulled. HAC was kept because not only is that Gaga's main format now as a 34 yr old woman, it also got acceptable net positive. The same thing happened to 'Be Kind' that also got bad callouts then dropped. This was the only possible outcome for the song, let's thank our lucky stars that it still has legs on HAC and they have a plan to re-push it.

The real tea:

In terms of this album, the only hope is to focus on the hit, ROM, and do a Sc MV to give that a boost. SL will not be getting anywhere near 500m streams. 

 

[Monster7 5,697]

The most realistic medley is Alice>SL>ROM (with Ariana surprise performing) > FW

But I'd love Replay and SFA even more

[JustTea 6,006]

52 minutes ago, Joesuda said:

You can check the streams at this website: https://chartmasters.org/spotify-streaming-numbers-tool/

However this website takes a very long time to load the stats so you have to be patient. 

It also excludes Bradley songs from ASIB.

[SLAG 7]

10 minutes ago, Monster7 said:

The most realistic medley is Alice>SL>ROM (with Ariana surprise performing) > FW

But I'd love Replay and SFA even more

I can see her doing Replay. The way she spoke about it on Gaga Radio I wouldn’t be surprised if she ended up releasing it as a single.

[CataleyaDeters 91]

2 hours ago, Joesuda said:

You can check the streams at this website: https://chartmasters.org/spotify-streaming-numbers-tool/

However this website takes a very long time to load the stats so you have to be patient. 

its 8,9 billion for gaga and she is the 11th artist ...

[CataleyaDeters 91]

1 hour ago, Monster7 said:

The most realistic medley is Alice>SL>ROM (with Ariana surprise performing) > FW

But I'd love Replay and SFA even more

this would be quite great ... but with a sour candy performance in the middle wwith blackpink in it would be even better ... BUt don´t know if they would even come ?

 

[Freddy 4,421]

Uk midweek :

ROM #32 

Shallow #94