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the slayage is unreal :giveup: on his site the title track is there :P

 

What?  The title track for Springsteen's album is on GGD?  How do I miss the good **** all the time?  :giveup:

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no his website :)

 

 

I read it wrong, my bad.  :)  I should probably post some music after all.  Thanks for the 411 on the Boss, R!

 

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Sweet! Alien Ant Farm was one of my bands growing up!

http://youtu.be/CDl9ZMfj6aE

http://youtu.be/kSngLMSvzhg

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Sweet! Alien Ant Farm was one of my bands growing up!

 

 

I LOVED that Smooth Criminal video. 

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Remember the 1990s? Rock was still dominating the charts, thanks to acts like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and the Stone Temple Pilots. Even the poppy rock acts like Everclear and Third Eye Blind that rose to prominence later in the decade couldn’t have been mistaken for representatives of another genre.

Lately, it seems good old-fashioned rock has been gobbled up and incorporated into the musical Frankenstein that is modern pop. You can find elements of it in the efforts of radio-friendly country acts like Eric Church and Jason Aldean, or on EDM prodigy Avicii’s smash “Wake Me Up,†co-written by Mike Einziger of Incubus. (Incorporating other kinds of music into EDM is “a way to advance the genre so it doesn’t get stuck,†Avicii told FORBES earlier this year).

The grunge legends of the 1990s have even been popping up in mainstream hip-hop, thanks to Jay Z’s and Justin Timberlake’s Kurt Cobain sample on “Holy Grail†and the former’s live collaboration with Pearl Jam on “99 Problems.†But as a standalone genre, rock has gone missing on the pop charts.

Tastes change, of course, and perhaps the pendulum will swing back sometime soon. Still, it’s going to take more than, say, a new album from the Foo Fighters to return pure rock to its former prominence on the charts. But that would be a start.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2013/12/30/music-industry-losers-2013-lady-gaga-rock-itunes-store/

Anyone want to share their thoughts on the Forbes article that also mentioned Lady Gaga? As far as mainstream, I agree that pure rock took a hit, though so many great bands released albums this year.

However, it seems this generation has been dwelling more in pop or alternative rock, with EDM sounds. Agree, disagree?

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Ambrosia

 

 

You have probably seen this article, it's a bit dated, however, it outlines with interest the possible culprits that led to the decline of rock you speak of.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/

 

I definitely agree that this generation has seemingly different musical tastes than found in generations before them.  I guess the question is why?  Is there no money in rock?  Is the industry putting all of its muscles in pop and smothering (for lack of a better word) the market competition?  Did the decline start with MTV no longer showcasing music videos, leaving younger listeners to search the net for videos, where once again, the industry's teacher's pet - pop and dance, came to the forefront due to all the financial backing?  With the closing of many "Mom and Pop" music stores, even in college towns, it's become more and more difficult to find variety and diversity within music.  I recall being able to search on my own and make discoveries in music, but it was available to me.  Now it seems what is available is only what the market wants to provide. 

 

And with this notion that the music industry is largely to "blame" , re: financial backing, it's easier for the younger generation to get stuff for free.  In fact, I think many of them just expect anything they want -- music, videos, entire albums, to be free.  How is the rock genre supposed to make money and keep up with pop, EDM, dance, etc.  if they don't have the same financial freedom? 

 

As much as I love classic rock, the classic acts are NOT going to attract new fans.  And with new bands using elements of rock, is there a reason for rock to try?  I think it would take a good, strong, new, young act that is purely rock to have any real attention returned to this genre.  I hope that happens at some point, but I'm a little biased.  ;)

 

In short, I don't think it's a matter of taste, I think it's a matter of availability - somewhat.  This is where I kind of have respect for the TV show, Glee.  They showcase newer music as well as classic music.  So, for the younger generation, it may lead one to discover the likes of Billy Joel or Genesis.  For older viewers, they introduce the current stuff.  The spots where the teens of yesteryear knew to get new music no longer exist, for the most part.  The producers were genius at figuring out, with the close of music stores, to use their show as somewhat of a music store if you will, offering every episode's songs on a CD.

 

I have not yet read the Forbes article but am very interested.  And as usual Twisty, your post was thought-provoking and perceptive.  What a great post for the end of year discussion.  Looking forward to seeing what music holds for us in 2014.  And you know, it's an even number, so should be a grand year.  :derpga:

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You have probably seen this article, it's a bit dated, however, it outlines with interest the possible culprits that led to the decline of rock you speak of.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/

I definitely agree that this generation has seemingly different musical tastes than found in generations before them. I guess the question is why? Is there no money in rock? Is the industry putting all of its muscles in pop and smothering (for lack of a better word) the market competition? Did the decline start with MTV no longer showcasing music videos, leaving younger listeners to search the net for videos, where once again, the industry's teacher's pet - pop and dance, came to the forefront due to all the financial backing? With the closing of many "Mom and Pop" music stores, even in college towns, it's become more and more difficult to find variety and diversity within music. I recall being able to search on my own and make discoveries in music, but it was available to me. Now it seems what is available is only what the market wants to provide.

And with this notion that the music industry is largely to "blame" , re: financial backing, it's easier for the younger generation to get stuff for free. In fact, I think many of them just expect anything they want -- music, videos, entire albums, to be free. How is the rock genre supposed to make money and keep up with pop, EDM, dance, etc. if they don't have the same financial freedom?

As much as I love classic rock, the classic acts are NOT going to attract new fans. And with new bands using elements of rock, is there a reason for rock to try? I think it would take a good, strong, new, young act that is purely rock to have any real attention returned to this genre. I hope that happens at some point, but I'm a little biased. ;)

In short, I don't think it's a matter of taste, I think it's a matter of availability - somewhat. This is where I kind of have respect for the TV show, Glee. They showcase newer music as well as classic music. So, for the younger generation, it may lead one to discover the likes of Billy Joel or Genesis. For older viewers, they introduce the current stuff. The spots where the teens of yesteryear knew to get new music no longer exist, for the most part. The producers were genius at figuring out, with the close of music stores, to use their show as somewhat of a music store if you will, offering every episode's songs on a CD.

I have not yet read the Forbes article but am very interested. And as usual Twisty, your post was thought-provoking and perceptive. What a great post for the end of year discussion. Looking forward to seeing what music holds for us in 2014. And you know, it's an even number, so should be a grand year. :derpga:

Well, what I posted above the link came from the Forbes article, was a bit too lazy to put it in a quote box.

However, you raise interesting points. Rock music was everywhere because it was easily assessible through the market, i.e. MTV, VH1, and music stores. Although, rock has competed with other genres like R&B, hip hop, country, and EDM/dance/Pop, those genres tend to cater to certain demographics.

There are still punk, rock, and metal kids and folks, but they've been marginalized into a subculture due to it development and fans of older bands growing up and sticking to their favorites. However, I think there is more variety in rock today than before, because all the new grunge, post grunge, alternative, punk, and hard rock groups have sprung up, but they mostly have regional followings, that eventually go national and international thanks to certain rock radio stations and the internet (all those Myspace, Facebook, and Tumblr pages). Another problem that goes along with that is that music is so easy to find for free on the internet, that's what many folks do, so those bands take a hit from lack of financial support.

I knew friends that struggled just to make it in the local scene, lots of competition.

Another thing I think would help rock, though it might come across shallow, is go back to the love and s-x oriented songs. The reason many pop stars, rappers, and EDM stars do so well, because many cater to teens and young adults who are all bursting with emotions, hormones, and a s-x drive. Many deal with issues and angst that are drawn to grunge themes, but girls were drawn to hair metal bands and big time bands like the Beatles because they all had a certain s-x appeal who sang melodic songs that people sing along or dance to. You know that I adore bands and artists who use more intellectual themes in their music like Pink Floyd, Rush, Led Zeppelin, and Fleetwood Mac, but when you're a business man, you put bait out there that the fish will catch to return dollar signs on not just records, but concerts as well.

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Yes, you are right about the s-x and love aspect.  It's the common underlying emotion of the human condition that binds us all - in one way or another.  When at a loss - write about s-x, and everyone can understand it.  Was it Vince Neil of Motley Crue who said, (And I'm largely paraphrasing)... they wanted to write songs about s-x and partying because it was fun.  His take on grunge was, who wants to hear about hating your parents and being angry? 

 

I'm not saying that rock music doesn't have tons of s-xual themes, because it does, but more so than any other genre, it also has  thought provoking and complicated lyrics, than say the areas of pop and country, for instance.  I'm not putting down those genres as I like them too, which is why I can make a somewhat astute observation.  

 

And there are artists out there like Prince, who will be dammed if they put anything on YouTube for free.  I guess his artistic integrity is more important than making a fast buck from some impatient youth who wants a freebie.  Well, good for Prince.

 

Another thing I was thinking, I wonder if the whole Napster thing had an impact on rock.

 

Thank goodness for regional followings too.  It could keep things like folk music and bluegrass alive.  I may not be a fan of all these types of music, but I'll be dammed if I let it go by the way of the Dodo.  ;)

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I know people seem to have an aversion to Nickelback, but I really like this song.  It's hard to say it, time to say it, goodbye to 2013!

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVO-iK2aTK4

 

This is a metal version of opening of Attack on Titan. It`s one of the most popular Anime last year.

 

The guy does a lot of metal version of some pop songs too

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^ I've seen his videos before! He's very talented in translating music into electric guitar. Very cool! :cool:

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http://youtu.be/d4C0JscCrYI

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http://youtu.be/R04sLCmtz3E

http://youtu.be/FG-3LeJvfzU

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