Sexual Assault Allegations Against Justin Bieber

[Modern Ecstasy2 2,202]

I find it problematic when sexual assault is only taken seriously or believed by large numbers of people when multiple women come forward. If it ‘only’ happened to one woman, that is one woman too many and it should be taken as equally seriously compared to twenty women coming forward.

[Tony31511 310]

15 minutes ago, Blue Madonna said:

I don't buy into the 'always believe the victim' idea because while we should totally respect real victims of sexual assault, it is currently her word against his. Show some evidence and then I can believe her but keep in mind that I could literally write a story about how Gaga sexually assaulted me right now, post it on Twitter and then suddenly she's a rapist.

Exactly my thoughts. This reminds me of the story from years ago about the woman who alleged that Justin Bieber had sex with her and the baby was his. It was just a dumb story the girl made up. Justin even did a DNA test because he was under pressure from the media to prove he wasn't the father. Turned out the baby was in fact not his and the woman got in serious legal trouble.

[AliceIsThatBitch 545]

Yeah I can't just believe someone based on anonymous claims. This could be a selena stan for all we know.

 

[KillerMonster 2,361]

Going to take this with a grain of salt. It won’t surprise me if it were true. He has no respect for anybody 

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30 minutes ago, Ivannn said:

and you all believe this beyond any doubt??

we can't create a culture where we think like this. don't automatically assume someone is lying. an extremely small amount of reported sexual assaults turn out to be lies - and honestly people have nothing to gain from lying about being assaulted. Coming out about sexual assault experiences can ruin the life of the survivor, or at least make things a lot harder to get through, not to mention re traumatizing them or causing other long-term mental health issues because they have to talk about the incident again and dig through it and relive it. I was raped as a teenager and can say from experience how fcking horrible people treat you for coming out, everyone assumes you're lying or want clout when that never happens from survivors. at best you get called strong (which isn't a bad thing anyways, because it takes a ton to come forward ESPECIALLY naming the person who assaulted you)

plus trauma is borderline impossible to fake for a long period of time. so if someone is exhibiting trauma related to an alleged rape, that should be enough evidence as it is. it doesn't just come out of nowhere and it is all collected (see ptsd)

what i'm saying, is yes, people lie, but we should not automatically try to play devils advocate every time someone comes forward. just offer your support, read and research on what happened, and make your own informed decision - but automatically assuming someone is lying can be very toxic

24 minutes ago, Blue Madonna said:

I don't buy into the 'always believe the victim' idea because while we should totally respect real victims of sexual assault, it is currently her word against his. Show some evidence and then I can believe her but keep in mind that I could literally write a story about how Gaga sexually assaulted me right now, post it on Twitter and then suddenly she's a rapist.

it's not always this simple though. are you 24/7 recording on your cellphone just in case you get assaulted? do you keep backups of all of your chat logs? have you never deleted a contact/text/message/gotten a new device and lost chat logs? there isn't always concrete proof but that doesn't mean someone is lying.

but yes i agree we should always be at least respecting and listening to survivors. but we shouldn't assume it's a lie or try to play devil's advocate. like i said you don't gain anything from lying and the likelihood that a claim is false is statistically smaller than the likelihood that it actually happened.

 

[Ivannn 1,130]

23 minutes ago, Taylucifer said:

I think that you should believe the victim, not without any doubt but to me this certainly seems extremely likely. She probably doesn't have any reason to lie and also he's a piece of ****. Link to video on rates of incarceration for falsely accused men

reason could be media attention and the fact everyone will think she had something with him. Specially if she is/was a fan of him.

[BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454]

I’m not saying I don’t believe her, but it’s kinda weird how she almost makes it sound like a fanfic? She’s too detailed.. I hope I’m wrong and I don’t mean to offend anyone.

[Maleficent 6]

Take a lie detector test and release a statement. Have ur friends give sworn affidavits. Release the name of the hotel so we can verify Bieber was staying there. Don’t take it to twitter without any grounds. 

[Ivannn 1,130]

1 minute ago, March34th said:

we can't create a culture where we think like this. don't automatically assume someone is lying. an extremely small amount of reported sexual assaults turn out to be lies - and honestly people have nothing to gain from lying about being assaulted. Coming out about sexual assault experiences can ruin the life of the survivor, or at least make things a lot harder to get through, not to mention re traumatizing them or causing other long-term mental health issues because they have to talk about the incident again and dig through it and relive it. I was raped as a teenager and can say from experience how fcking horrible people treat you for coming out, everyone assumes you're lying or want clout when that never happens from survivors. at best you get called strong (which isn't a bad thing anyways, because it takes a ton to come forward ESPECIALLY naming the person who assaulted you)

plus trauma is borderline impossible to fake for a long period of time. so if someone is exhibiting trauma related to an alleged rape, that should be enough evidence as it is.

what i'm saying, is yes, people lie, but we should not automatically try to play devils advocate every time someone comes forward. just offer your support, read and research on what happened, and make your own informed decision - but automatically assuming someone is lying can be very toxic

it's not always this simple. are you 24/7 recording on your cellphone just in case you get assaulted? do you keep backups of all of your chat logs? have you never deleted a contact/text/message/gotten a new device and lost chat logs? there isn't always concrete proof but that doesn't mean someone is lying.

 

but we can have a culture where we believe and accuse/ destroy someone both private and in their career on the grounds of one post?

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Just now, Ivannn said:

but we can have a culture where we believe and accuse/ destroy someone both private and in their career on the grounds of one post?

lol i didn't say that. justin has history of being a p.o.s. so i would not be surprised if he also sexually assaulted someone. he has a criminal record and has don a ton of messy things. all im saying is we should stop automatically jump to playing devils advocator when it comes to rape/sexual assault.

[MJHolland 12,725]

Is this really even an allegation if no one is really making it (i.e. it's totally anonymous)? 

[Guest Blue Madonna]

8 minutes ago, March34th said:

it's not always this simple though. are you 24/7 recording on your cellphone just in case you get assaulted? do you keep backups of all of your chat logs? have you never deleted a contact/text/message/gotten a new device and lost chat logs? there isn't always concrete proof but that doesn't mean someone is lying.

but yes i agree we should always be at least respecting and listening to survivors. but we shouldn't assume it's a lie or try to play devil's advocate. like i said you don't gain anything from lying and the likelihood that a claim is false is statistically smaller than the likelihood that it actually happened.

I understand this. Unfortunately I think sexual assault claims is one of those dilemmas which there is no right answer to; we can't believe every victim but we also can't write them all off. I wouldn't expect any of the things you've mentioned so yeah it is possible that there is no concrete evidence. I'm not assuming it's a lie though.

I think the sad reality is we can't really make a judgment on this and I think overall the best course of action would be to provide love and support for the accuser but not 'cancel' the accused.

3 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Is this really even an allegation if no one is really making it (i.e. it's totally anonymous)? 

I think if I was sexually assaulted by a huge celebrity with thousands of stans and wanted to go public, I wouldn't reveal any personal details.

[Ally Campana 15,284]

11 minutes ago, Heracross said:

I’m not saying I don’t believe her, but it’s kinda weird how she almost makes it sound like a fanfic? She’s too detailed.. I hope I’m wrong and I don’t mean to offend anyone.

Omg I thought I was the only one that felt that. I am more of a ‘guilty until proven innocent’ when it comes to stuff like sexual assault. But when I read the part from where they started making out to her snapping out of it due to Selena, it totally seemed like a fan fiction. Way too detailed. And I’ve read many statements like this, and most of the time victims don’t get THAT detailed about the incident. I don’t think I believe her tbh.

[Ally Campana 15,284]

I’ve said it in the other thread but I’ll repeat it here. I am more of a ‘guilty until proven innocent’ when it comes to stuff like sexual assault. But when I read the part from where they started making out to her snapping out of it due to Selena, it totally seemed like a fan fiction. Way too detailed. And I’ve read many statements like this, and most of the time victims don’t get THAT detailed about the incident. I don’t think I believe her tbh.

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1 minute ago, Blue Madonna said:

I understand this. Unfortunately I think sexual assault claims is one of those dilemmas which there is no right answer to; we can't believe every victim but we also can't write them all off. I wouldn't expect any of the things you've mentioned so yeah it is possible that there is no concrete evidence. I'm not assuming it's a lie though.

I think the sad reality is we can't really make a judgment on this and I think overall the best course of action would be to provide love and support for the accuser but not 'cancel' the accused.

yeah thats a good point. there is a lot of gray area, i just find a lot of people try really hard to bring up the idea of false accusations and try to bully the victim into shutting up or retracting their statement which can get messy (an example of this i can think of is the Dahvie Vanity allegations especially from Jessy Slaughter).

i'm glad you feel that in general we should always try to show support though. that's the best we can do if we don't know fully what happened (as in we were not a witness or don't know the people involved well enough to really know fully if it could have happened)