J.K. Rowling defends speaking out on trans issues

[Regina George 59,387]

3 hours ago, thierryrreiht said:

Not reading that

So you’re ready to cancel her because of some tweet but you don’t want to read what she had to say for herself and her side of story? Damn.. That’s more problematic than J.K. Rowling’s tweet if you ask me and extremely dangerous. 

[Thaniel22 1]

4 minutes ago, Hurem said:

Trans women don't menstruate though? Did I miss something?

That's what I am trying to understand too.

She criticised an article headline that referred to "people who menstruate",being inclusive to trans men and non-binary people I suppose. She said that people who menstruate are 'biologically' (that  was implied) women-which they are. She was talking about biological sex,and how we shouldn't try to erase it,not about gender,which she admits is multifaceted

[Thaniel22 1]

3 minutes ago, Seeka said:

No. She basically agreed/said that real women menustrate. 

No,SHE DIDN'T. Honestly,can't people READ anymore?

[Hurem 17,800]

Just now, GagaSine said:

Trans men & non binary people can menstruate tho

Trans men is a valid point, non binary, however, I just don't agree with. It seems extremely trendy and way too extreme.

4 minutes ago, Seeka said:

No. She basically agreed/said that real women menustrate. 

I do have a problem with calling biological women "real", but not to the degree of calling someone a disgusting human being, lol.

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

She's literally saying that all trans people are mentally ill, have a condition, and that it's a "phase" a majority of them will grow out of eventually 

Where have we heard that before? And yet there's still people in here defending her including gay men 

[StrawberryBlond 14,776]

49 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

If she actually supported trans women she’d know supporting them does not erase or put any of her rights in jeopardy 

She didn't say it was. More that simply believing someone is a woman just because they say so can lead to male (as in biological males who identify as such) who are predators and criminals lying to get into female spaces so they can abuse women. And just because someone is genuinely trans doesn't mean that they won't sexually abuse fellow men/women. There was a case of a transwoman who was currently transitioning, who'd been sent to prison on suspicion stabbing a neighbour. The jail automatically put her in a female prison where she assaulted female inmates. This is when her criminal history was looked into and it was discovered that pre-transition, she had raped mutiple women as well as abused children and had continued to do this post-transition. The judge sentencing her at trial said he even doubted if her transition was completely genuine and she had perhaps used it to gain easier access to women because "there is smattering of evidence in this case that the defendants approach to transition has been less than committed." Here's the link: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

This isn't to demonise transpeople but to show that there's every chance that they can be sexual criminals as much as any cisgender person can and for that matter, should not just be automatically waived through as not a threat and have their identity automatically accepted without proof of medical diagnosis or any evidence of trying to transition to some degree.

As regards other female issues, a biological woman should not have to feel uncomfortable talking about issues regarding female biology like periods, pregnancy and menopause from the point of view of biological females nor should they be referred to as "menstruators," "people who menstruate," "birthing individuals" or "people with vaginas." We find that language dehumanising and it makes it sound as if biological womanhood is a fake, imagined or dirty concept that it can't even be spoken of now. Women are just now starting to feel comfortable to even say words like "period" and "vagina" openly. To now try to stop the use of the word "woman" being used in these situations is so backward and and anti-female. Menopausal women can't menstruate or get pregnant, but they aren't offended by hearing terms like "menstruating women" or "pregnant women." Just because their female bodies have retired certain functions doesn't mean they're not women. People need to stop reading too much into harmless phrases and look at the bigger picture.

[GagaSine 7,464]

10 minutes ago, Hurem said:

Trans men is a valid point, non binary, however, I just don't agree with. It seems extremely trendy and way too extreme.

It’s not your place to decide that. NB people exist and there are a lot of them. They deserve respect.

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

12 minutes ago, Regina George said:

So you’re ready to cancel her because of some tweet but you don’t want to read what she had to say for herself and her side of story? Damn.. That’s more problematic than J.K. Rowling’s tweet if you ask me and extremely dangerous. 

Hunny no one needs to read half-assed research that's been cherry picked to try to support her harmful, ignorant perspective that is WRONG according to credible scientists.

Also, the fact she's declaring most of them are going through a phase is literally a playbook from the homophobes and what gay men and women were told before.

Ignorance and hate masquerading as "public safety" and fake feminism 

 

[GagaSine 7,464]

1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

She didn't say it was. More that simply believing someone is a woman just because they say so can lead to male (as in biological males who identify as such) who are predators and criminals lying to get into female spaces so they can abuse women. And just because someone is genuinely trans doesn't mean that they won't sexually abuse fellow men/women. There was a case of a transwoman who was currently transitioning, who'd been sent to prison on suspicion stabbing a neighbour. The jail automatically put her in a female prison where she assaulted female inmates. This is when her criminal history was looked into and it was discovered that pre-transition, she had raped mutiple women as well as abused children and had continued to do this post-transition. The judge sentencing her at trial said he even doubted if her transition was completely genuine and she had perhaps used it to gain easier access to women because "there is smattering of evidence in this case that the defendants approach to transition has been less than committed." Here's the link: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

This isn't to demonise transpeople but to show that there's every chance that they can be sexual criminals as much as any cisgender person can and for that matter, should not just be automatically waived through as not a threat and have their identity automatically accepted without proof of medical diagnosis or any evidence of trying to transition to some degree.

As regards other female issues, a biological woman should not have to feel uncomfortable talking about issues regarding female biology like periods, pregnancy and menopause from the point of view of biological females nor should they be referred to as "menstruators," "people who menstruate," "birthing individuals" or "people with vaginas." We find that language dehumanising and it makes it sound as if biological womanhood is a fake, imagined or dirty concept that it can't even be spoken of now. Women are just now starting to feel comfortable to even say words like "period" and "vagina" openly. To now try to stop the use of the word "woman" being used in these situations is so backward and and anti-female. Menopausal women can't menstruate or get pregnant, but they aren't offended by hearing terms like "menstruating women" or "pregnant women." Just because their female bodies have retired certain functions doesn't mean they're not women. People need to stop reading too much into harmless phrases and look at the bigger picture.

You’re off base in every way but I don’t have the energy or time to say more. Create more barriers for trans people is not the answer and being inclusive to other people with uteri who are not women is in no way dehumanizing. 

[Regina George 59,387]

Just now, Gagaloo911 said:

Hunny no one needs to read half-assed research that's been cherry picked to try to support her harmful, ignorant perspective that is WRONG according to credible scientists.

Also, the fact she's declaring most of them are going through a phase is literally a playbook from the homophobes and what gay men and women were told before.

Ignorance and hate masquerading as "public safety" and fake feminism 

 

People need to read the whole thing to actually make their judgement.

No she is actually giving you statistic information and actual facts that prove what she’s saying is somewhat right. That info is available online for anyone to see. 

At this point y’all are just canceling whoever just because it’s trendy. It’s completely ignorant and so dangerous. 

[Regina George 59,387]

7 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said:

She's literally saying that all trans people are mentally ill, have a condition, and that it's a "phase" a majority of them will grow out of eventually 

Where have we heard that before? And yet there's still people in here defending her including gay men 

She’s literally not saying anything of what you just wrote. 

[GagaSine 7,464]

1 minute ago, Regina George said:

People need to read the whole thing to actually make their judgement.

No she is actually giving you statistic information and actual facts that prove what she’s saying is somewhat right. That info is available online for anyone to see. 

At this point y’all are just canceling whoever just because it’s trendy. It’s completely ignorant and so dangerous. 

Omg i can’t believe THE Regina George is supporting transphobes. Thank god for that school bus.

[Hurem 17,800]

3 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

It’s not your place to decide that. NB people exist and there are a lot of them. They deserve respect.

I'm not denying they exist. There are also people that claim they're deer. Just because you identify as something, doesn't mean the rest of the world has to agree with anything you say/want.

[GagaSine 7,464]

Just now, Hurem said:

I'm not denying they exist. There are also people that claim they're deer. Just because you identify as something, doesn't mean the rest of the world has to agree with anything you say/want.

Non binary identities have been a thing for literally over a thousand years in various cultures... please

[littlepotter 74,890]

1 hour ago, Seeka said:

QUILTBAG is a cuter way of saying LGBTQIA+. 

it sounds suspiciously like guiltbag to me which kinda don't sit right with me when referring to people who notoriously struggle with their identities