Bernie: "Biden is more receptive to progressives"

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7 minutes ago, Pennywise said:

me watching the U.S. elections from afar because each day brings new madness 

We love watching a circus

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3 minutes ago, PartySick said:

AOC is right there 

AOC 2024!

[Economy 52,928]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

AOC is right there 

I can see her rising and potentially one day being president

 

But her agressive economics are so anti business tho especially when it comes to taxes. She proposes income taxes that would go over 80% in many States (70% Federal plus whatever States add) 

[MJHolland 12,725]

Maybe.... just mayyyybe... it's gender bias, init? 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

Bernie continues to let me down to appease the professional managerial class and MSNBC. For his sake, Joe better win because they will blame Bernie and his supporters again like they did last time if he loses.

[HorusRa2 5,005]

5 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Maybe.... just mayyyybe... it's gender bias, init? 

Joe and Bernie worked in congress much longer than he and Hillary did. Its not as complicated as youre making it out to be & Hillary has made it very clear she didnt like Bernie at all over and over again. If anyone had a bias, it was actually Hillary. 

[Morphine Prince 109,729]

No, he isn’t. 

But Bernie needs to say so for any real progressive voices to be heard. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

3 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Joe and Bernie worked in congress much longer than he and Hillary did. Its not as complicated as youre making it out to be & Hillary has made it very clear she didnt like Bernie at all over and over again. If anyone had a bias, it was actually Hillary. 

One has to wonder why Bernie's woman campaign opponents seemingly all have negative experiences related to him.

And I don't think it's fair to say that Bernie is more open to working with Biden now because they spent a few more years together on Capitol Hill thirty years ago. 

Simply offering one explanation I see out of the many that probably are true as to why Bernie doesn't get along with Hillary, Warren, and other women in politics. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

I mean, Hillary Clinton moved so far to the left because of Bernie's primary challenge in 2016. It's absurd to say that she was less receptive to progressive values than Joe who hasn't really moved at all from his stances during the Obama Administration. 

She ceded ground on almost every single major policy issue in 2016 to move to the left and capture more of the progressive vote — and i believe at least that she would have reflected that in her administration had America voted for a woman instead of a living monster of a human. 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

Just now, MJHolland said:

One has to wonder why Bernie's woman campaign opponents seemingly all have negative experiences related to him.

And I don't think it's fair to say that Bernie is more open to working with Biden now because they spent a few more years together on Capitol Hill thirty years ago. 

Simply offering one explanation I see out of the many that probably are true as to why Bernie doesn't get along with Hillary, Warren, and other women in politics. 

Hillary never explicitly said anything about Bernie treatment of her so much as his so called hesitancy to hush his supporters (her view not mine bc Bernie did tell his supporters consistently to be kind). 

Warren also refused to go on record on what was actually said. So we dont know anything about that exchange except for what a staffer who wasnt there to witness the conversation leaked to CNN and Bernies word. So you have no basis for your argument and peoole like Klobuchar has always had kind words to say about working for Bernie. 

Youre literally looking for reasons to call Bernie a sexist because you disagree with him politically. That should actually stop. 

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1 minute ago, MJHolland said:

I mean, Hillary Clinton moved so far to the left because of Bernie's primary challenge in 2016. It's absurd to say that she was less receptive to progressive values than Joe who hasn't really moved at all from his stances during the Obama Administration. 

She ceded ground on almost every single major policy issue in 2016 to move to the left and capture more of the progressive vote — and i believe at least that she would have reflected that in her administration had America voted for a woman instead of a living monster of a human. 

The only thing she compromised on (and actually did better than Biden with regard to) was agree to support reducing the age for medicare to 50. Biden I think mentioned 60? 

 

Her administration would have been full of former corporate executives and neocons like Kissinger. Lets not. 

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2 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Hillary never explicitly said anything about Bernie treatment of her so much as his so called hesitancy to hush his supporters (her view not mine bc Bernie did tell his supporters consistently to be kind). 

Warren also refused to go on record on what was actually said. So we dont know anything about that exchange except for what a staffer who wasnt there to witness the conversation leaked to CNN and Bernies word. So you have no basis for your argument and peoole like Klobuchar has always had kind words to say about working for Bernie. 

Youre literally looking for reasons to call Bernie a sexist because you disagree with him politically. That should actually stop. 

Huh?

Warren said to Bernie's face on national television (going "on the record") that he told her quote "a woman cannot be president". Source here. According to Warren, Bernie blatantly "called her a liar on national TV." 

Also, check out this Washington Post article titled Hillary Clinton points to alleged sexism in Bernie Sanders’s campaign: ‘It’s part of a pattern’

You can lie and say I'm making stuff up and being an opportunist, but I'm just calling it like women in politics have been seeing it. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

7 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

The only thing she compromised on (and actually did better than Biden with regard to) was agree to support reducing the age for medicare to 50. Biden I think mentioned 60? 

 

Her administration would have been full of former corporate executives and neocons like Kissinger. Lets not. 

Hillary moved to the left in real time during their 2015-2016 Democratic primary on a number of issues you failed to mention. 

Things ranging from Medicare/Social Security, international trade, health care, and Wall Street reform.

If you don't believe me, you can check out this WaPo article from April 2016 that details how her positions changed leftwardly (I'm making up words now) on all of those issues in detail. 

As for what her admin would have looked like, that's just blatant speculation at this point. But I hope you can see from this that she was indeed "receptive" to progressive values. 

I mean, the woman started as a college Republican and inched her way towards being the most progressive Dem nominee in modern history. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

30 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Bernie continues to let me down to appease the professional managerial class and MSNBC. For his sake, Joe better win because they will blame Bernie and his supporters again like they did last time if he loses.

I mean... whether Joe wins or not... isn't up to Bernie... it's up to us. Including Bernie's former and current supporters. 

History is a chose your own adventure game — it's very fun like that! So let's make Trump a one term president. And stop the infighting that no one wants to see. Let's just elect Biden and move on from this national nightmare of an administration. 

[BillieGOAT 5,272]

More receptive than who?? Thump??