Will Chromatica have fillers?

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Just now, dynamite said:

Hopefully it's good though. Given the amount of time she spent on the album, I think she recorded a ton of songs and chose the best 14 

She did that with ARTPOP and look what happened. 

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14 minutes ago, HybridAT said:

WRONG

Totally WRONG

Filler definition:

Filler songs are actually intended to be such by the artist. Filler are songs that a band just rushes through without any real dedication or inspiration, just to meet a deadline for an albums release, or to quickly capitalize on a hit or to literally fill up space

Hey Girl: Female empowerment, uplighting each other, true duet in terms of having a back and forth style conversation with your collaborator, Elton and Bowie influences, album highlight

Sinner's Prayer: Lyrical gold, heartbreak, leaving a man she doesn't want to, turning to her catholic roots, mentions family, fits within the back to home, stripped down theme of Joanne

Fashion! About the art of transformation, feeling good in what you wear, finding your self-confidence through fashion, very Bowie-esque, fits within the theme of ARTPOP

Again, you guys need to keep questioning yourselves if the songs that you call fillers fit under the definition of filler and not let your bias towards not liking the songs under question affect it.

You continue to upset him buddy. Not good

Yes but meanings change over time. An old school definition for filler does not match what the general consensus of what the music industry or at least fan bases consider fillers now. 

The term had adopted a new meaning over the last decade. 

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25 minutes ago, Doot said:

Bad Kids, while I love the song, is no Scheiße or TEOG.

I think it's also rather telling that she didn't perform SP or HG on the tour.

This is true. However, you have to reconsider the lyrical content of Bad Kids. It's an anthem of the misfits. It speaks to those kids who are made to feel outcast, like they don't belong, the nerds and the freaks, the punks and the rebels. It speaks to every single kid who feels they're alone and don't have anyone to go to or share their stories with. That's why she says "you're still good to me, you're a bad kid baby". Because she's ready to accept the listener even if they're imperfect, they're flawed, a "bad kid". It's also a song besides the title track to embrace your insecurities. There's a clear message and an inspiration behind it. And it completely fits within the theme of Born This Way and so, I don't consider it as a filler.

As for the second part, she doesn't perform many songs though after recording and putting them on the album. Maybe SP is a little heavy for her to perform because of a heartbreak or something? And she can't do HG alone if Welch is unavailable because it's a literal conversation y'know  they both alternate in that song. I don't consider HG to be a filler. She clearly wanted to send a message about female empowerment and supporting each other as females with the industry constantly pitting them against each other (maybe she felt she needed to say that since the Roar vs. Applause thing) but yeah, I do feel something was off about that collab, while ROM feels very organic and she feels very invested in it too.

 

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16 minutes ago, Doot said:

Yes but meanings change over time. An old school definition for filler does not match what the general consensus of what the music industry or at least fan bases consider fillers now. 

The term had adopted a new meaning over the last decade. 

Which needs to stop, honestly. The fanbases need to stop acting like musical experts at all times 

But I do see what you mean in terms of how dynamic and fluid these terms become over time. But then, we also have to consider that she's obviously an artist who has a very clear and articulate message to send with her pieces of work. She doesn't put anything out that she doesn't believe in. 

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17 minutes ago, Doot said:

Fillers, at least imo, are songs that despite whether or not they are good, fail to come near the "peaks" of the album. 

They are what I consider to be songs she recorded and liked, but on the album, they just fill up space. 

The ones I picked are personally songs I don't like, but she does have fillers. Bad Kids, while I love the song, is no Scheiße or TEOG. 

I think it's also rather telling that she didn't perform SP or HG on the tour. She might enjoy the album but for many, they are the weaker songs. 

Then again she doesn't like Money Honey and I love it. 

I'm sure that within an album there are songs she likes more over others, but no one song on the album is just put there to fill up space.

Again, she's recorded hundreds of songs throughout her career. You can really only put so many songs on an album. Every single song does more than just "fill up space."

Also, what do you mean by "fail to come near the 'peaks' of the album"? Do you mean sonically? Lyrically? In terms of their meaning? Cause again, those are all subjective. Bad Kids, sure, to most people, doesn't live up to songs like Scheiße or TEOG, but that's entirely subjective. There's someone out there who prefers Bad Kids over Scheiße and TEOG.

And just because she doesn't perform all of her songs doesn't mean that the ones she didn't perform are "fillers." Her being more favorable to some songs over others just means that she has more of a connection with those songs. That doesn't mean they're "fillers." 

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4 minutes ago, HybridAT said:

This is true. However, you have to reconsider the lyrical content of Bad Kids. It's an anthem of the misfits. It speaks to those kids who are made to feel outcast, like they don't belong, the nerds and the freaks, the punks and the rebels. It speaks to every single kid who feels they're alone and don't have anyone to go to or share their stories with. That's why she says "you're still good to me, you're a bad kid baby". Because she's ready to accept the listener even if they're imperfect, they're flawed, a "bad kid". It's also a song besides the title track to embrace your insecurities. There's a clear message and an inspiration behind it. And it completely fits within the theme of Born This Way and so, I don't consider it as a filler.

As for the second part, she doesn't perform many songs though after recording and putting them on the album. Maybe SP is a little heavy for her to perform? And she can't do HG alone if Welch is unavailable because it's a literal conversation y'know  they both alternate in that song. I don't consider HG to be a filler. She clearly wanted to send a message about female empowerment and supporting each other as females with the industry constantly pitting them against each other (maybe she felt she needed to say that since the Roar vs. Applause thing) but yeah, I do feel something was off about that collab, while ROM feels very organic and she feels very invested in it too.

 

I appreciate your insight into the lyrical content of the songs and their meaning, and I agree, but I don't personally feel like that has any impact on whether a song is a "filler" lol

A song could have a great message but suck nonetheless. 

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3 hours ago, Twitter said:

Title. 

Answer. 

it has interludes, so yes, they're technically fillers.

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Just now, M Monstre said:

I'm sure that within an album there are songs she likes more over others, but no one song on the album is just put there to fill up space.

Again, she's recorded hundreds of songs throughout her career. You can really only put so many songs on an album. Every single song does more than just "fill up space."

Also, what do you mean by "fail to come near the 'peaks' of the album"? Do you mean sonically? Lyrically? In terms of their meaning? Cause again, those are all subjective. Bad Kids, sure, to most people, doesn't live up to songs like Scheiße or TEOG, but that's entirely subjective. There's someone out there who prefers Bad Kids over Scheiße and TEOG.

And just because she doesn't perform all of her songs doesn't mean that the ones she didn't perform are "fillers." Her being more favorable to some songs over others just means that she has more of a connection with those songs. That doesn't mean they're "fillers." 

Sonically. 

I probably can't put it into words eloquently enough but take a song like Bad Romance and compare it to....Black Jesus. 

Both good songs, both have well written lyrics, but one brings POWER. 

 

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Just now, Doot said:

I appreciate your insight into the lyrical content of the songs and their meaning, and I agree, but I don't personally feel like that has any impact on whether a song is a "filler" lol

A song could have a great message but suck nonetheless. 

I mean, this is always a contentious topic but miss @Twitter likes to ruffle feathers for no reason (you're on sight birdy) 

 

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3 minutes ago, HybridAT said:

Which needs to stop, honestly. The fanbases need to stop acting like musical experts at all times

This I agree with. 

Probably what some would consider a douche opinion but if one primarily listens to Top 40 music and their exposure of other stuff is merely Spotify playlists that they search when they hear "oh this album is house influenced"....nope. 

Not a music expert. Study music theory. Explore other genres. Listen to music that doesn't "chart". Learn about production. 

Then there's legs to stand on. 

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2 hours ago, grigioboi said:

or maybe love me right but who knows, they might be smash hits 

Usually the bonus tracks are the best

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5 minutes ago, Doot said:

Sonically. 

I probably can't put it into words eloquently enough but take a song like Bad Romance and compare it to....Black Jesus. 

Both good songs, both have well written lyrics, but one brings POWER. 

But again, that's subjective.

Bad Romance and Black Jesus are both great songs. Bad Romance is more iconic, sure, and sonically it might be better, but that's just an opinion. Someone out there believes Black Jesus is better than Bad Romance. 

A song you like less =/= a filler song. That's really the issue I have with the statement, "'x' is a filler song." Like, no it's not. You just don't like it as much as 'y,' and that's fine. You don't have to equally like Bad Romance and Black Jesus, but that doesn't mean that Black Jesus is a filler.

Just say you don't like a song and leave it at that. 

Do some artists have fillers in their albums? Sure. But I think we know Gaga enough to know that every song means something special to her. Does she prefer some songs over others? Of course. That's just innate. But I think to unnecessarily call a song a "filler" is insulting to the artist who decided that that song was important enough to go on an album. 

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Just now, M Monstre said:

But again, that's subjective.

Bad Romance and Black Jesus are both great songs. Bad Romance is more iconic, sure, and sonically it might be better, but that's just an opinion. Someone out there believes Black Jesus is better than Bad Romance. 

A song you like less =/= a filler song. That's really the issue I have with the statement, "'x' is a filler song." Like, no it's not. You just don't like it as much as 'y,' and that's fine. You don't have to equally like Bad Romance and Black Jesus, but that doesn't mean that Black Jesus is a filler.

Just say you don't like a song and leave it at that. 

Do some artists have fillers in their albums? Sure. But I think we know Gaga enough to know that every song means something special to her. Does she prefer some songs over others? Of course. That's just innate. But I think to unnecessarily call a song a "filler" is insulting to the artist who decided that that song was important enough to go on an album. 

But as I stated above, "filler" has adopted a new meaning in the last decade and it IS subjective. 

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