Am I the only one who feels this way?

[REALITY 76,511]

2 minutes ago, Regina George said:

I see what you mean but everything felt like:

 

I wanted to quote that actually, but I didn't want to fill up the thread with three of my own replies in a row

I don't think that's the case. Quite honestly, I feel like that's a very—and I truly hate to use this term, but for lack of a better term—"SJW" way of looking at it. I think that's falsely saying that every female character in a movie who has a "lesser" role only exists to service the male character. If the roles we reversed, for example, I don't think anyone would be complaining—not saying that you are, I'm just speaking generally.

I do think a valid critique of the movie was that it seemed very fast paced, from Ally's point of view. She just like jumped into stardom almost immediately. That said, I don't think that has anything to do with a "woman solely being used as plot development for the male character." The story, since the beginning, was centered around Jack. He ultimately kills himself at the end. Why not use the movie to explore him a bit more? 

[PlasticDollGirl 1,236]

1 minute ago, Regina George said:

But you just kinda supported my opinion by writing "The story is about an alcoholic and depression in him watching his girlfriend become a star." because that is not the official plot that was being sold to people. Official plot was "A girl becoming a star" aka A STAR IS BORN. You literally said that the story revolves around him just like I said that. Gaga played a role that supported his role in MANY ways and it can literally be a supporting role. He made that movie about himself. I don't think you understood what I wanted to say but that's okay. Also it's okay that you disagree. 

No, I liked the fact it was a total different story line to the other movies. Yes A STAR WAS BORN as she was a normal girl who became a star and had a troubled boyfriend. I like the story line and that’s periodt. 

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Now that you’ve mentioned it. I kinda wonder why the film was more Jackson based and not Ally. 

[Chromatica Island 8,517]

No, I felt like they were both equally shown. I agree with @Mill. The movie was the best I've seen in a long time.

[Regina George 59,387]

Just now, ChromaticRaccoon said:

I still need to see them, which one do you recommend the most?

1950s one is IMO better than the one with Barbra Streisand but I love Judy so I may be biased  They are all great tho! 

[ADVENTURE 856]

Tbh I had never seen the other version so I just assumed it revolved around the male character. I think you’re right.

[Daylight Jokers 14,958]

I mean, if that was his main motivation, then he did a great job cuz it did win a few Oscars. Unfortunately, he didn't win one for himself. I disagree with Gaga being more like a supporting role cuz the best thing about the film is watching these two characters' journey both as individuals and a couple. One went from being a star to almost a nobody while the other one is experiencing the complete opposite. The story wouldn't work without Ally...obviously.

And let's not make this about the battle of the sexes please. 

[Regina George 59,387]

2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

I wanted to quote that actually, but I didn't want to fill up the thread with three of my own replies in a row

I don't think that's the case. Quite honestly, I feel like that's a very—and I truly hate to use this term, but for lack of a better term—"SJW" way of looking at it. I think that's falsely saying that every female character in a movie who has a "lesser" role only exists to service the male character. If the roles we reversed, for example, I don't think anyone would be complaining—not saying that you are, I'm just speaking generally.

I do think a valid critique of the movie was that it seemed very fast paced, from Ally's point of view. She just like jumped into stardom almost immediately. That said, I don't think that has anything to do with a "woman solely being used as plot development for the male character." The story, since the beginning, was centered around Jack. He ultimately kills himself at the end. Why not use the movie to explore him a bit more? 

I'm not saying it in a bad or SJW way at all.. If I did I'd mention the fact that Ally is literally the only woman we see in that movie BUT I'm not going there. I'm just thinking that Ally in the movie served as a way to show Jackson and his problems. I never felt like we got to see Ally enjoying her fame or just being Ally.. Jackson was ALWAYS there to take away the spotlight and it's pretty prominent if you take a good look at the movie. Watched it the other night and I really felt like that's the case. 

[Regina George 59,387]

2 minutes ago, ADVENTURE said:

Tbh I had never seen the other version so I just assumed it revolved around the male character. I think you’re right.

The male characters in other movies are also very troubled but the focus is always on the female lead.. 

[ryhanna 3,507]

Nope. Imo the film is pretty clearly about the duality of the two characters and the effect they have on each other as their positions change. She's a struggling artist, he's a burnt out star. She becomes a legitimate star, he goes off the deep end. 

[Regina George 59,387]

3 minutes ago, LGs LM said:

And let's not make this about the battle of the sexes please. 

First of all I'm in no ways trying to do that..

3 minutes ago, LGs LM said:

I mean, if that was his main motivation, then he did a great job cuz it did win a few Oscars. Unfortunately, he didn't win one for himself. I disagree with Gaga being more like a supporting role cuz the best thing about the film is watching these two characters' journey both as individuals and a couple. One went from being a star to almost a nobody while the other one is experiencing the complete opposite. The story wouldn't work without Ally...obviously.

Second.. I didn't mean literal supporting role.. She was clearly a lead but I felt like her main purpose was to show his struggles and his pain. 

[Regina George 59,387]

Just now, ryhanna said:

Nope. Imo the film is pretty clearly about the duality of the two characters and the effect they have on each other as their positions change. She's a struggling artist, he's a burnt out star. She becomes a legitimate star, he goes off the deep end. 

So you didn't feel like the attention was mainly on Jackson? Okay that's fair.. 

[PEZ 6,227]

2 minutes ago, Regina George said:

I never felt like we got to see Ally enjoying her fame or just being Ally.. Jackson was ALWAYS there to take away the spotlight

I thought that was kind of the point (or one of the points) of this iteration of ASIB -- to show how destructive alcoholism and codependent relationships are, and how those things worm their way into most or all aspects of both partners' lives.

[PlasticDollGirl 1,236]

1 minute ago, Regina George said:

I'm not saying it in a bad or SJW way at all.. If I did I'd mention the fact that Ally is literally the only woman we see in that movie BUT I'm not going there. I'm just thinking that Ally in the movie served as a way to show Jackson and his problems. I never felt like we got to see Ally enjoying her fame or just being Ally.. Jackson was ALWAYS there to take away the spotlight and it's pretty prominent if you take a good look at the movie. Watched it the other night and I really felt like that's the case. 

Jackson took the spotlight because it was being real. Sometimes that happens in real life where relationships can affect careers and it affected there relationship.  he was trying to drag ally down with him. You clearly don’t like the story line and that’s ok 

[Regina George 59,387]

Just now, PEZ said:

I thought that was kind of the point (or one of the points) of this iteration of ASIB -- to show how destructive alcoholism and codependent relationships are, and how those things worm their way into most or all aspects of both partners' lives.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I felt like the main point of the movie was alcoholism and codependent relationships which IMO never reflected on Ally..