Grimes goes into labor during live stream

[Roboboy 3,781]

23 minutes ago, high heeled fem said:

This is not cool comparing the both, I’m disappointed to see this on a site like GGD. Naming the child Influenza is ridiculous, letting a kid choose their gender as they grow up which stops suicide and years of abuse is somewhat amazing.

Compare the stupid name and Elon and some of Grimes stupid outfits, don’t compare her child’s life. 
 

As someone who is non binary and has struggled for many years, I’m really upset with this comment 

Calm down lol - I knew someone would say this.

I'm not saying that she should tell her kid that they are a 'boy' or 'girl' and that it will never change. But she should still raise the child calling it by the gender associated with its sex, but obviously make it very clear to the child that they can change their gender if they feel like they need to. Don't tell me i'm being transphobic, you clearly didn't understand what I was trying to say at all. What I meant to say is that raising her baby as 'they' is absolutely ridicolous. If her baby chooses to identify as 'they' in the future, that is for them to decide and that is fine. How would you feel if someone tried to tell you that you were something you maybe were not?

Think a little bit before you bring up how upset you are. I am sorry if I offended you but please understand that wasn't what I meant.

[alsemanche 93,959]

11 minutes ago, LG6IsHere said:

 But she should still raise the child calling it by the gender associated with its sex, but obviously make it very clear to the child that they can change their gender if they feel like they need to.

And why should she do that exactly? What's the point of it?

12 minutes ago, LG6IsHere said:

 How would you feel if someone tried to tell you that you were something you maybe were not?

Again, why is that ridiculous? And who are you to decide what is "fine" and what isn't for her own child?

14 minutes ago, LG6IsHere said:

How would you feel if someone tried to tell you that you were something you maybe were not?

Exactly, now reverse that. What if the child was assigned female at birth but realized they're trans and transitioned to a man when they grow up? Wouldn't that be telling them they're something they're not? If she decides to raise the child as non-binary (which I didn't even hear her say, i don't know where you got that from, but I hope it's not the same place you got that Influenza joke from and thought it's real), she's literally telling them that you are not assigned to any specific gender and that you get to decide to be whoever you want to be. I don't see why that's so sad and requires you to feel bad for the child.

[Roboboy 3,781]

4 minutes ago, catsandlabneh said:

And why should she do that exactly? What's the point of it?

Again, why is that ridiculous? And who are you to decide what is "fine" and what isn't for her own child?

Exactly, now reverse that. What if the child was assigned female at birth but realized they're trans and transitioned to a man when they grow up? Wouldn't that be telling them they're something they're not? If she decides to raise the child as non-binary (which I didn't even hear her say, i don't know where you got that from, but I hope it's not the same place you got that Influenza joke from and thought it's real), she's literally telling them that you are not assigned to any specific gender and that you get to decide to be whoever you want to be. I don't see why that's so sad and requires you to feel bad for the child.

My only point was that raising your child as 'they' is ridiculous. Raising the child in accordance with the gentials they have is not telling them their gender, its telling them their sex. This doesn't change, unless you get sexual reconstruction surgery and even then its debatable. I didnt mean that she should say 'this is your gender', she should say 'this is your sex'.

[alsemanche 93,959]

Just now, LG6IsHere said:

My only point was that raising your child as 'they' is ridiculous. Raising the child in accordance with the gentials they have is not telling them their gender, its telling them their sex. This doesn't change, unless you get gender reassingment surgery. I never said she should say 'this is your gender', she should say 'this is your sex'. Once again, missed the point

Again, why is raising a child as 'they' ridiculous? Literally what does in entail? Like literally how does it affect anything if instead of calling her baby "her" she called them "them"? Also I think it's pretty obvious that when a child is raised as either a boy or a girl, a whole societal baggage is given to them based on that and it's not limited to their sex.

 

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[Roboboy 3,781]

1 minute ago, catsandlabneh said:

Again, why is raising a child as 'they' ridiculous? Literally what does in entail? Like literally how does it affect anything if instead of calling her baby "her" she called them "them"? Also I think it's pretty obvious that when a child is raised as either a boy or a girl, a whole societal baggage is given to them based on that and it's not limited to their sex.

 

ITS DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DON'T WANT HER TO DO! Raising a child as 'them' is telling them their gender, I said raise the baby as 'he' or 'she' in accordance with their SEX, NOT gender. Clearly you don't understand the difference

[Modern Ecstasy2 2,202]

51 minutes ago, high heeled fem said:

This is not cool comparing the both, I’m disappointed to see this on a site like GGD. Naming the child Influenza is ridiculous, letting a kid choose their gender as they grow up which stops suicide and years of abuse is somewhat amazing.

Compare the stupid name and Elon and some of Grimes stupid outfits, don’t compare her child’s life. 
 

As someone who is non binary and has struggled for many years, I’m really upset with this comment 

Lots of love and support to you 

[derpmonster 22,412]

1 hour ago, LG6IsHere said:

If she really is naming her kid Influenza and raising it as non-binary, I feel genuinely sorry for that child.

Raising without gender imposed on them is different from raising as nonbinary.

[derpmonster 22,412]

3 minutes ago, LG6IsHere said:

accordance with their SEX, NOT gender.

Yes, and there's nothing in biology that says XX corresponds with "she".

Pronouns are about gender, not sex.

[Roboboy 3,781]

Just now, derpmonster said:

Yes, and there's nothing in biology that says XX corresponds with "she".

Pronouns are about gender, not sex.

There are still pronouns associated with sex.

 

[Modern Ecstasy2 2,202]

I know a couple of people who have chosen to raise their young children without/as little gender influence as possible. 

I am about as liberal as you can get with gender, and I have to say, it seems a bit unnecessary to me.

As someone who isn’t a parent, I think the best thing parents can do is communicate to their children “We are raising you as this gender, which was a guess/assumption based on your sex, but if you ever feel like this isn’t who you are, tell us and we will do everything we can do accommodate and support you”. (Something like that).

I think, in theory, allowing children to live in a world without gender restrictions is wonderful, and I think it would be easy enough to do at home. But outside, in the world, gender is being policed constantly. And I think that if a toddler/young child who was being raised as non-binary/gender less by their parents, is realistically going to be gendered by people in the world every where they go. And I think that could potentially cause some identity confusion for the child, and possibly bullying, sadly.

It’s my opinion and nothing more, but yeah, I think parents just being really open and like “tell us if this isn’t who you are” is probably the best way to go.

[alsemanche 93,959]

Just now, LG6IsHere said:

ITS DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DON'T WANT HER TO DO! Raising a child as 'them' is telling them their gender, I said raise the baby as 'he' or 'she' in accordance with their SEX, NOT gender. Clearly you don't understand the difference

Drop your condescending know-it-all tone. I know the difference very well between sex and gender, thank you very much.

Raising someone as 'them' is literally telling them that you have the freedom to decide whoever the **** you want to be without limiting them to a he/she binary. If I want my child to grow up without an assigned GENDER, I would much rather use 'they' instead of he/she which are socially assigned to a specific binary of GENDER, regardless whether they are grammatically referring to sex or gender because there is no clear cut answer to this question to begin.

So how about you let her raise her child however she wants without feeling bad for her and for them and without losing your mind over a bloody pronoun?

[Roboboy 3,781]

Just now, catsandlabneh said:

Drop your condescending know-it-all tone. I know the difference very well between sex and gender, thank you very much.

Raising someone as 'them' is literally telling them that you have the freedom to decide whoever the **** you want to be without limiting them to a he/she binary. If I want my child to grow up without an assigned GENDER, I would much rather use 'they' instead of he/she which are socially assigned to a specific binary of GENDER, regardless whether they are grammatically referring to sex or gender because there is no clear cut answer to this question to begin.

So how about you let her raise her child however she wants without feeling bad for her and for them and without losing your mind over a bloody pronoun?

Once AGAIN (ugh), there is a difference between accordance in sex, and accordance in gender. I do NOT think she should raise the child as 'this is your gender', I am on the same page with you at that. Sex IS binary, because sex does not change, sex is biological. If she sees that the child has a penis, it is a male. I don't see what's wrong with raising it as 'he' (the pronoun associated with that SEX) but making it fully clear that this can change. Raising a child as 'they' entertains a very small chance that the child will choose to identify as non-binary, and completely disregards the binaries that there ARE of sex.

And i wasn't the first one who lost my mind. I posted one line where I said I felt bad for the kid, not me losing my mind, then y'all attacked me with your whining. Anyways!!!!!

[Roboboy 3,781]

6 minutes ago, Modern Ecstasy2 said:

I know a couple of people who have chosen to raise their young children without/as little gender influence as possible. 

I am about as liberal as you can get with gender, and I have to say, it seems a bit unnecessary to me.

As someone who isn’t a parent, I think the best thing parents can do is communicate to their children “We are raising you as this gender, which was a guess/assumption based on your sex, but if you ever feel like this isn’t who you are, tell us and we will do everything we can do accommodate and support you”. (Something like that).

I think, in theory, allowing children to live in a world without gender restrictions is wonderful, and I think it would be easy enough to do at home. But outside, in the world, gender is being policed constantly. And I think that if a toddler/young child who was being raised as non-binary/gender less by their parents, is realistically going to be gendered by people in the world every where they go. And I think that could potentially cause some identity confusion for the child, and possibly bullying, sadly.

It’s my opinion and nothing more, but yeah, I think parents just being really open and like “tell us if this isn’t who you are” is probably the best way to go.

THIS!!! THIS!!!!! THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alsemanche 93,959]

Just now, LG6IsHere said:

Once AGAIN (ugh), there is a difference between accordance in sex, and accordance in gender. I do NOT think she should raise the child as 'this is your gender', I am on the same page with you at that. Sex IS binary, because sex does not change, sex is biological. If she sees that the child has a penis, it is a male. I don't see what's wrong with raising it as 'he' (the pronoun associated with that SEX) but making it fully clear that this can change. Raising a child as 'they' entertains a very small chance that the child will choose to identify as non-binary, and completely disregards the binaries that there ARE of sex.

And i wasn't the first one who lost my mind. I posted one line where I said I felt bad for the kid, not me losing my mind, then y'all attacked me with your whining. Anyways!!!!!

Alright you clearly think you're on a higher level than everyone else who's "whining" so I'm done here.