ice bear 1 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 i'm more in tune with the idiosyncratic creators like Kate Bush, David Bowie and Grace Jones sure they were a little less popular but like they built a whole aura around them that was theirs ice heard one side from above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindnessPunk28 1,506 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, Hello the zouzou said: I just realized I don't know one single song by Cher I know the title "Believe" but I don't know what it sounds like You need to open a streaming app right now and listen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Claws 18,665 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, xoxo Craig said: She used to be able to sing, but not anymore. She used to be the most famous popstar of all, but that faded after like 2010. While she has hits, she doesn't have the talent or versatility in my opinion to be considered one of the greatest pop stars of all time. Madonna is different in the way that she stood for something bigger than music, so its okay that she has a mediocre voice. Her image, her politics, her views, her stance on subjects were so much larger than her music. Thats why she's one of the greatest ever, because Madonna is so much more than music. I don't like her as a person, but I respect why she is considered the greatest. But Gaga will top Madonna every day of the week because she is the full package AND so much larger than music at the same time. She will go down in history as the greatest female popstar/musician ever It is not what you think, it is facts. 1. Britney was considered by many to be one of the biggest pop stars, together for having influenced generations, and having the second biggest impact on the music industry, with Madonna being the main artist. 2. Madonna, mediocre voice? Of course you haven't listened to her discography! Songs like Live To Tell, Frozen, Power Of Good-Bye, Take a Bow show her vocal beauty, seriously you can't call that mediocre. 3. Gaga will always have more vocal and more charismatic talent than Madonna and is the most talented artist of our generation, but we have to understand that Madonna was the main influence and without her Gaga would not have her own identity, so I would say that Madonna will always be the greatest in terms of impact and influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yxcvbnm 839 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I think the list is correct. Cher isn't missing. She's a star, an icon in the US, but obviously not a legend/ one of the greatest artists of all time. She's got very very few hits, 1-2 iconic moment, but the only one I can remember right now is her costume with white feathers on it. She's talented at acting too, but that's not enough compared to what Michael Jackson, Prince or Madonna did. Being one of the greatest artists means a bit more, than singing ABBA covers and dragging at Ellen a more Successful woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Hello the zouzou said: I just realized I don't know one single song by Cher I know the title "Believe" but I don't know what it sounds like I recorded this at Cher's concert in December. The 17 minute video includes portions of most songs she sang at the concert in chronological order. The final songs of the concert are If I Could Turn Back Time, followed by Believe as the encore. The energy she had for those two songs after having been on stage for nearly two hours is breathtaking. The legend has been slaying audiences for 55 years. Set to 1080p and enjoy. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Adarsh Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Yxcvbnm said: I think the list is correct. Cher isn't missing. She's a star, an icon in the US, but obviously not a legend/ one of the greatest artists of all time. She's got very very few hits, 1-2 iconic moment, but the only one I can remember right now is her costume with white feathers on it. She's talented at acting too, but that's not enough compared to what Michael Jackson, Prince or Madonna did. Being one of the greatest artists means a bit more, than singing ABBA covers and dragging at Ellen a more Successful woman. Cher and Barbra Streisand are the only true popstars to have won best actress so that’s definitely something. It sets them apart from their peers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smother Em Eh 7,095 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I think Madonna will always be at the top because she was the first pop star and had a tremendous impact. Gaga is definitely up there though. Gaga is extremely talented, versatile and super artistic and creative. She definitely changed the game and showed the world how talented she truly is. There will never be another Lady Gaga that’s for sure! Get Applause & G.U.Y to 1B views! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Animal Claws said: It is not what you think, it is facts. 1. Britney was considered by many to be one of the biggest pop stars, together for having influenced generations, and having the second biggest impact on the music industry, with Madonna being the main artist. 2. Madonna, mediocre voice? Of course you haven't listened to her discography! Songs like Live To Tell, Frozen, Power Of Good-Bye, Take a Bow show her vocal beauty, seriously you can't call that mediocre. 3. Gaga will always have more vocal and more charismatic talent than Madonna and is the most talented artist of our generation, but we have to understand that Madonna was the main influence and without her Gaga would not have her own identity, so I would say that Madonna will always be the greatest in terms of impact and influence. 1. Biggest doesn't mean the best. She has many many iconic hits and I'm not takingthat away from her. She may have been an influence to artists as she combined easy to digest pop music and eccentric dance music, while having very heavy sex influences. But she isn't vocally gifted (I know she once was), her writing skills are not that impressive, and the only talent she had was dancing. I don't see any versatility in her at all. To me she is like the Selena Gomez of her time with just more likeability and iconic hits. 2. Madonna has one of the most mediocre voices... especially live. Its quite annoying at times. Its very weak and very whiny. Now, compared to someone like Katy Perry for example who herself isn't known for vocals... Katy has a lot of power in her voice, and her transitions are on point most of the time. Her tone is really pleasant on the ears and it doesn't sound whiny. She is actually a very good singer 3. I don't think thats fair to say at all. Gaga's influences are wide and she doesn't just take influence from Madonna. Cher, Prince, David Bowie (her biggest influence), Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Queen/Freddie Mercury, Destiny's Child/Beyoncé, Britney, XTina, are all Gaga's influences. If you take Madonna out the equation, Gaga still has an identity and its actually kind of disrespectful to say otherwise. Madonna was hailed as the first popstar who wasn't afraid to speak her mind, who wasn't afraid to get sexual with her music videos and songs that others had written for her like Like A Virgin, and she is iconic and legendary for that. Female pop artists were taken more seriously because of her. But its so unfair to say that Gaga wouldn't have an identity if Madonna wasn't around because Gaga has her own identity and what she does is completely different to Madonna... and as I said, she draws inspiration from various artists. Madonna paved the way for female artists to be taken more seriously, and for them to be taken seriously when they want to speak up for something they truly believe in. She made way for those who aren't afraid to speak their mind. But thats all you can say about her. End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Yxcvbnm said: I think the list is correct. Cher isn't missing. She's a star, an icon in the US, but obviously not a legend/ one of the greatest artists of all time. She's got very very few hits, 1-2 iconic moment, but the only one I can remember right now is her costume with white feathers on it. She's talented at acting too, but that's not enough compared to what Michael Jackson, Prince or Madonna did. Being one of the greatest artists means a bit more, than singing ABBA covers and dragging at Ellen a more Successful woman. Our opinions differ. Cher is a legend, imo. She is known worldwide, and not just by fans, and she has won 141 awards worldwide, not just in the US. Her achievements over 55 years are extraordinary. Check the "Legacy" and "Achievements" sections here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher My personal experience: Cher's first Philadelphia concert of that tour sold out so quickly that she came back for a 2nd date. I called for tickets in the first minute of the presale for the 2nd concert. I always get front row seats at concerts of pop and rock artists to make my videos. When I asked for front row they laughed "c'mon, it's Cher and you'll be happy you were able to get 4th row, and if you wait another minute you'll be sitting way in the back". So the video I posted above was from 4th row. They were correct, I was happy, and was even happy to be in the same room with the legend. Both concerts sold out. At the concert, she announced "see you at my next tour". I can't wait. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Michael Jackson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafamaia 63 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 hours ago, OMonster said: Yeah, Beyonce is undeniably one of the greatest performers of our time (up there with MJ) - but she doesn't write, doesn't play an instrument, didn't have a moment that singlehandedly redefined culture and doesn't have the same raw, artistic talent as the others on the list. Beyonce is, imo at least, the perfect, manufactured pop artist. She is THE pop star, along with early Britney - though, of course, Beyonce had / has a far more impressive voice. But she / they do not compare, musically or artistically, to artists like MJ, Madonna, Freddie, Gaga ect. Well, she has actually a moment that singlehandedly redefined things and that’s the overnight release of BEYONCÉ as a visual album with all tracks up to the public to pick those that were best or more deserving becoming a hit (though some singles were pushed due to radio etc.). this defines music as we know today, the way she marketed. also, hard to say she is the perfect manufactured popgirl, I mean, just watch homecoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeet 456 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 hours ago, ANTI WP said: Sure Janne He's a better vocalist than Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,675 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, rafamaia said: Well, she has actually a moment that singlehandedly redefined things and that’s the overnight release of BEYONCÉ as a visual album with all tracks up to the public to pick those that were best or more deserving becoming a hit (though some singles were pushed due to radio etc.). this defines music as we know today, the way she marketed. also, hard to say she is the perfect manufactured popgirl, I mean, just watch homecoming. I appreciate your point, but 1) the release of BEYONCE was a big moment for pop fans, and it did change things on the marketing front, but most of the 'GP' do not realize that and it was not 'iconic' outside of pop fans, and 2) Homecoming is very manufactured. It may seem or feel authentic, but most of it is not. Beyonce is extremely manufactured - more than most realise. Her team (... Jay Z, mostly) are geniuses at flipping her weak spots into strong points. There's a reason why she's perceived in the way she is, and it isn't because of it's authenticity. I could write an essay on this, but I'll resist, lol. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaWinters 1,999 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 10 hours ago, OMonster said: I mean, if we define the 'greatest' pop star by some of the following qualities: Writing ability (the ability to write lyrics and music) Looks like Beyonce won't make the cut Xoxo, Victoria Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixdean 1,061 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 hours ago, xoxo Craig said: 1. Biggest doesn't mean the best. She has many many iconic hits and I'm not takingthat away from her. She may have been an influence to artists as she combined easy to digest pop music and eccentric dance music, while having very heavy sex influences. But she isn't vocally gifted (I know she once was), her writing skills are not that impressive, and the only talent she had was dancing. I don't see any versatility in her at all. To me she is like the Selena Gomez of her time with just more likeability and iconic hits. 2. Madonna has one of the most mediocre voices... especially live. Its quite annoying at times. 3. I don't think thats fair to say at all. Gaga's influences are wide and she doesn't just take influence from Madonna. Cher, Prince, David Bowie (her biggest influence), Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Queen/Freddie Mercury, Destiny's Child/Beyoncé, Britney, XTina, are all Gaga's influences. If you take Madonna out the equation, Gaga still has an identity and its actually kind of disrespectful to say otherwise. Madonna was hailed as the first popstar who wasn't afraid to speak her mind, who wasn't afraid to get sexual with her music videos and songs that others had written for her like Like A Virgin, and she is iconic and legendary for that. Female pop artists were taken more seriously because of her. But its so unfair to say that Gaga wouldn't have an identity if Madonna wasn't around because Gaga has her own identity and what she does is completely different to Madonna... and as I said, she draws inspiration from various artists. Madonna paved the way for female artists to be taken more seriously, and for them to be taken seriously when they want to speak up for something they truly believe in. She made way for those who aren't afraid to speak their mind. But thats all you can say about her. The many times I have seen you write about Madonna is always in a way that is meant to diminish her. It really just shows a complete lack of knowledge of pop history music and Madonna's place in it. If you actually knew Madonna's history and discography, you wouldn't be making claims like the ones above. The subtle but shady comment you wrote - "songs that others had written for her like Like A Virgin" - clearly demonstrates you are coming from a biased and uninformed place, because Madonna is an an accomplished songwriter, having been inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and nominated multiple times for the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Her voice might not be the belting type, but is one that conveys true emotion -- there's plenty of belting-type singers in American Idol, XFactor and those kind of shows that never become stars. You know why? Because it's not only having a voice that makes a star. Just a few points on why she will always remain at the forefront of popular culture and will maintain a unmatched position as THE female artist and pioneer: - Her music, style, music videos, fashion and overall persona has marked decade after decade the musical landscape and those who came after her. Like a Prayer, Justify My Love, Erotica, Vogue, Hung Up -- these songs by themselves are cultural staples, not to mention the visuals that accompanied them. - The tour format that all artists follow today was pioneered by her in her Blond Ambition Tour, which set the blueprint from today's tour formats. - Her reinventions are part of the World's cultural memory - the wedding dress, and grungy bracelet girl style, the S&M persona, the spiritual M, the pink leotard - all these are uniquevolly Madonna and will forever be remembered as such. - Her fight and support for the LGBTQ community at a time that could cost her her career in the 80s will forever be remembered. She was the one true star at the height of her career that openly campaigned for gay rights and fought for HIV prevention at a time that thousands of gay people were literally dying of what was called the 'gay plague'. - Finally, the many unmatched hits, all-time records, and best-selling achievements all speak for themselves. Much, much more could be said about Madonna, but she's not just someone that "paved the way for female artists to be taken more seriously." Her impact and influence will forever remain unequivocally in pop history music as one of the greatest. There's no need to bring down Madonna to prop up Gaga, and Gaga can definitely make a space for herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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