Rose McGowan ends Alyssa Milano

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Just now, Giorno Giovanna said:

I disagree. Have you been in the business you freely speak about? Do you know how it feels? Or when you become the centre of a lot of critique, and hate for speaking the "truth" (I put it in ".." since no one here knows the absolute truth about what happened) 

Was her reaction a prime example of being classy and chill? : hell no! 

Was her reaction vile? : def. not

Was her reaction reasonable? :I think so. 

 

She's a human, and not a machine. I think she's gone through a lot of **** and her reacting like that is in my opinion absolutely reasonable. 

But does that make her unstable? : Def. not

Have you? So unless you have first hand information, that argument isn't going to work.

Rose McGowan has been through a ton of **** in her life and I don't blame her for being the way she is now. That said, I can call her on her ****. No one is perfect or infallible. And taking things to the other extreme where you blindly believe things to suit your affiliations can be just as harmful as what you're fighting against. 

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1 minute ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

Sorry, not true. They interfered by pushing the lie that Bernie is a crazy and unelectable nightmare, while this poll below should be the ONLY factor that proves electability. Bernie would have swept in a world without MSM bias.

How did they push that lie though? I'm genuinely asking. 

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2 minutes ago, PussPuss said:

I'm not pro Alyssa or pro Biden. I don't think what Alyssa said in that video is wrong though. I don't think it's helpful to be black and white on any subject, that's my point. And I'm calling out Rose since everyone in this thread is saying "yas" "slay" "drag" and I find it to be a bit gross the lynch mob mentality. 

Rose is late to the party on this Tara Reade take. I’m just happy a checkmark is gonna bring more attention to the story. Glad you’re not pro Alyssa bc her reasoning of getting here is completely disgusting and is what’s making people distrustful of politics. 

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1 hour ago, PussPuss said:

Rose McGowan is quite frankly unstable and a hypocrite. She can't even handle getting called out herself. 

 

How is this relevant to Milano's hypocrisy?

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12 minutes ago, PussPuss said:

"Woketivists" are so ready to cancel someone and hop on any bandwagon that suits their own MO. You're all really no better than the argument you're making against Alyssa. You can't have things swing to the complete other side of the spectrum where women are always believed no matter what. Alyssa is saying she doesn't know and is not making a public statement about it, which is a very fair thing to say. 

No it isn't when she has blatantly in the past said that we should believe women regardless. Look it up. It's the hypocrisy we are calling out and quite frankly has nothing to do with Rose. She did it with Kavanaugh even after his accuser changed her story multiple times. I expect the same energy with Joe Biden. If it was Trump or another Republican, Alyssa would be here wrapping her self around the me too movement saying what a horrible man that particular republican would be. But since the guy accused is a democrat, now she wants me to have due process, now she believes in the notion of innocent until proven guilty. That's the entire point here. What don't you get? 

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3 minutes ago, PussPuss said:

Have you? So unless you have first hand information, that argument isn't going to work.

Rose McGowan has been through a ton of **** in her life and I don't blame her for being the way she is now. That said, I can call her on her ****. No one is perfect or infallible. And taking things to the other extreme where you blindly believe things to suit your affiliations can be just as harmful as what you're fighting against. 

Now you're trying to turn my question and argument around, without answering it at all. I won't let that go unnoticed, that doesn't work with me. 

 

You basically said she should have acted more calm because of her former work in the "business" . 

Let me assume that you don't have any experience in the business, considering you tried to dodge my question, then you have no idea if "having worked in the business" one can expect her to be more calm to that lunatic, since you lack that experience yourself. 

Do I need to have experience in the "business" to make that observation?

No, because I can call someone out talking about something they have no experience in themself, without having experience in that thing myself. 

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1 minute ago, Chromatic Lover said:

No it isn't when she has blatantly in the past said that we should believe women regardless. Look it up. It's the hypocrisy we are calling out and quite frankly has nothing to do with Rose. She did it with Kavanaugh even after his accuser changed her story multiple times. I expect the same energy with Joe Biden. If it was Trump or another Republican, Alyssa would be here wrapping her self around the me too movement saying what a horrible man that particular republican would be. But since the guy accused is a democrat, now she wants me to have due process, now she believes in the notion of innocent until proven guilty. That's the entire point here. What don't you get? 

Did you actually listen to what Alyssa had to say though? When she started the #metoo movement women were not being believed at all and the movement was about making a disruption in the status quo by lifting up every female voice. The stance was "believe the victim" because it had not been that way ever. What she's saying is, once you created that momentum and a platform for those voices to be heard, you also have to consider then that not every accusation is going to be the truth. What don't you get? 

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14 minutes ago, PussPuss said:

How did they push that lie though? I'm genuinely asking. 

When:

- news channels have political analysis, they set framing that only involves half truths and horrible takes that just aren’t true (centrist vote mashup graphs, MSNBC hosts calling Bernie stans Nazis multiple times)

- having debate questions with trash framing more on Bernie than others (Bernie, why are you a sexist - the WORST)

- pushing stupid stories like his heart attack (when doctors already said he was fine), and the Cuba thing (Obama said the same thing)

- having people tone police you while you’re calling out leaders on their shortcomings (Brihanna Joy Gray vs Kamala Harris)

... you leave the GP thinking Bernie is too controversial and unserious to be president, and they vote for Joe as a “strategic choice.”

This isn’t how his life long fight against corruption should be treated to say the least. 

This is why excitement for Joe is at record lows. Joe’s platform does not meet the moment to solve dire issues. A “centrist” candidate appeasing “both sides” is a mythical narrative. In a world that made sense, Joe would lose, but with this virus I just don’t know anymore. 

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1 minute ago, Giorno Giovanna said:

Now you're trying to turn my question and argument around, without answering it at all. I won't let that go unnoticed, that doesn't work with me. 

 

You basically said she should have acted more calm because of her former work in the "business" . 

Let me assume that you don't have any experience in the business, considering you tried to dodge my question, then you have no idea if "having worked in the business" one can expect her to be more calm to that lunatic, since you lack that experience yourself. 

Do I need to have experience in the "business" to make that observation?

No, because I can call someone out talking about something they have no experience in themself, without having experience in that thing myself. 

If you've been doing something for 20+ years, you know how to handle something very common about it, regardless of what industry you're in. 

The way Rose acted was deranged and did not match the situation. 

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1 minute ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

When:

- news channels have political analysis, they set framing that only involves half truths and horrible takes that just aren’t true (centrist vote mashup graphs, MSNBC hosts calling Bernie stans Nazis multiple times)

- having debate questions with trash framing more on Bernie than others (Bernie, why are you a sexist - the WORST)

- pushing stupid stories like his heart attack (when doctors already said he was fine), and the Cuba thing (Obama said the same thing)

- having people tone police you while you’re calling out leaders on their shortcomings (Brihanna Joy Gray vs Kamala Harris)

... you leave the GP thinking Bernie is too controversial and unserious to be president, and they vote for Joe as a “strategic choice.”

This isn’t how his life long fight against corruption should be treated to say the least. 

This is why excitement for Joe is at record lows. A “centrist” candidate appeasing “both sides” is a mythical narrative. In a world that made sense, Joe would lose, but with this virus I just don’t know anymore. 

Everything you're mentioning though is media derived, not systemic mishandling like 2016. There's no way to say that the DNC is responsible for everything you mentioned.

I want to keep reiterating that I am not pro Biden and I think this situation sucks, and am scared we are headed to four more years of Trump because the Democrats are such a mess. 

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1 minute ago, PussPuss said:

If you've been doing something for 20+ years, you know how to handle something very common about it, regardless of what industry you're in. 

The way Rose acted was deranged and did not match the situation. 

I agree in that if you do something for 20+years, you should be good at it...

but I don't think she did work 20+ years in extreme conflict situations, with lunatics that make no sense. 

This type of conflict isn't something people have on a daily basis as a job (at least I hope so cause that would be toxic as hell) 

 

So that's my whole point... don't assume she should be excellent at this type of conflict situation, or assume her work for the last 20+ years. 

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Just now, PussPuss said:

Everything you're mentioning though is media derived, not systemic mishandling like 2016. There's no way to say that the DNC is responsible for everything you mentioned.

I want to keep reiterating that I am not pro Biden and I think this situation sucks, and am scared we are headed to four more years of Trump because the Democrats are such a mess. 

When you have clownery like Donna Brazile giving Hillary debate questions before hand, and the DNC’s rigging being so clear they got sued for it, and in 2017, said they’re not responsible for being fair: it’s clear that a huge section of political media is nothing more than a marketing arm of the DNC. 

They’ve just shoved the male version of Hillary Clinton on the world. There’s no reason to believe they’ve gotten less corrupt since then. 

+ I have to say, yes it is possible. This isn’t mind control, it’s livelihood control. There’s just immense pressure to conform and to not stand against power, as members of congress have said many times. Money still makes the world go around unfortunately. 

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1 minute ago, Giorno Giovanna said:

I agree in that if you do something for 20+years, you should be good at it...

but I don't think she did work 20+ years in extreme conflict situations, with lunatics that make no sense. 

This type of conflict isn't something people have on a daily basis as a job (at least I hope so cause that would be toxic as hell) 

 

So that's my whole point... don't assume she should be excellent at this type of conflict situation, or assume her work for the last 20+ years. 

Rose was raised in a cult, the least of her worries should be an obnoxious heckler. I think the heckler was out of line, but it's clear she is not mentally all there the way she reacted. That's all I'm saying. And I'm not saying that to make her look bad, but she acts irrationally sometimes and is extremely militant and confrontational in recent years. Hence putting into context why her calling out Alyssa could be taken with a grain of salt.  

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3 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

When you have clownery like Donna Brazile giving Hillary debate questions before hand, and the DNC’s rigging being so clear they got sued for it, and in 2017, said they’re not responsible for being fair: it’s clear that a huge section of political media is nothing more than a marketing arm of the DNC. 

They’ve just shoved the male version of Hillary Clinton on the world. There’s no reason to believe they’ve gotten less corrupt since then. 

+ I have to say, yes it is possible. This isn’t mind control, it’s livelihood control. There’s just immense pressure to conform and to not stand against power, as members of congress have said many times. Money still makes the world go around unfortunately. 

I wouldn't put it past the DNC given what they've already done. I just have not personally seen evidence of it this time around. I was excited about Bernie but despite mobilizing a small but vocal base, I don't think he has the widespread support needed to win. That's just how it looks to me... I was really surprised with all the primaries because I thought Bernie would do better. But it makes sense Biden would be more appealing to more people. So I'm not necessarily calling "foul play" just yet. 

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3 minutes ago, PussPuss said:

Rose was raised in a cult, the least of her worries should be an obnoxious heckler. I think the heckler was out of line, but it's clear she is not mentally all there the way she reacted. That's all I'm saying. And I'm not saying that to make her look bad, but she acts irrationally sometimes and is extremely militant and confrontational in recent years. Hence putting into context why her calling out Alyssa could be taken with a grain of salt.  

Okay, I think I can agree on that. 

I'm just suprised to have a normal discussion with someone on gagadaily. Most people get angry, or try to be sassy as soon as you call them out. But you mostly replied with fair arguments, without getting personal.