Spain's COVID-19 death toll surpasses China's

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1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

They're not killing them, they just don't have enough doctors, ventilators, and supplies to care for everyone. That would have happened in China too if they didn't shelter in place so soon, and if it did happen, we'd never hear about it because China's authoritarian regime covers up everything. 

Yeah thats what I said, if you are old they will leave you untreated to save younger people. They wont do that if you are young though. I know if China did what italy did they will do the same, but they did not do what italy did.

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1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said:

I never claimed they are killing old people on purpose. I said they are allowing older people to die because not enough care could be done.

Why be positive about government refusing to take measures to prevent this? are you gonna be positive about how Trump acts with the carona crisis?

I am from a "third country" and we are not ready for any of this, yet we did the right thing to prevent it. My country was on full lockdown when we had only 20 cases. If you break the law, people are fined 150 dollars and are prison. Even traveling inside the country is not allowed.

I am saying that no matter what faults they have done, we should be focusing on how to get through this. We can discuss when was the perfect time to shut down when it's over, hindsight is always 20/20 btw.

Everyone is screwed, we get that now all we can do is do our part and let the government do theirs.

They aren't pure evil like people make them out to be and there are tonnes upon tonnes of good, honest and decent people working hard in that government to save as many lives and protect their own citizens during this crisis.

This is affecting pretty much everyone so there is no reason to bring in countries. Each will have their own story in the making. Most countries have a lock down now anyway. 

Plus America is a different story 

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5 minutes ago, LeBlanc said:

I am saying that no matter what faults they have done, we should be focusing on how to get through this. We can discuss when was the perfect time to shut down when it's over, hindsight is always 20/20 btw.

Everyone is screwed, we get that now all we can do is do our part and let the government do theirs.

They aren't pure evil like people make them out to be and there are tonnes upon tonnes of good, honest and decent people working hard in that government to save as many lives and protect their own citizens during this crisis.

This is affecting pretty much everyone so there is no reason to bring in countries. Each will have their own story in the making. Most countries have a lock down now anyway. 

Plus America is a different story 

Its insane how even in 2020, some people think the government is good and we should let them do their part!

[Leblanc 2,503]

2 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its insane how even in 2020, some people think the government is good and we should let them do their part!

I never said they were perfect but are you an expert in British politics? 

I'm not saying I am but I live in it everyday and take quite an interest. But we have to rely on them in this time. They are the ones bailing out everyone's business including several peoples I know.

Helping me out with countless things in my life so excuse me for having some gratitude to the country that accepted my refugee mother and saw her and her kids start a great life here.

Yes they will screw up time to time and we should call them out for that. But this is still a democracy and I understand that whoever we would voted in recently would have messed something up along the way in this pandemic. 

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13 minutes ago, LeBlanc said:

I never said they were perfect but are you an expert in British politics? 

I'm not saying I am but I live in it everyday and take quite an interest. But we have to rely on them in this time. They are the ones bailing out everyone's business including several peoples I know.

Helping me out with countless things in my life so excuse me for having some gratitude to the country that accepted my refugee mother and saw her and her kids start a great life here.

Yes they will screw up time to time and we should call them out for that. But this is still a democracy and I understand that whoever we would voted in recently would have messed something up along the way in this pandemic. 

I dont care about your patriotism and being proud of your country.

Just because your country did some good things to you, does not mean its good.

Your country being a Democracy does not mean its good. Many Democratic countries are criminal and unjust. Actually, the most criminal countries in the world are Democratic countries.

You are minimizing governments crimes and holding governments to a different moral standard.

[mezzanine 476]

I'll leave my text under spoiler since it might be TRIGGERING, so don't read it if you're psychologically affected by covid-19, sorry guys 

Spoiler

I'm having a big meltdown, I'm half italian half spanish (born and raised there) and I'm living since 2 years in Berlin, I cannot go back to Spain to spend this moment with my family and there's leaked videos of the hospitals and the people dying and it's devastating. The Ice Palace of Madrid has been reconverted into a morgue (this space was used for things like trainings for the olympic games), they don't have enough personal or facilities and our f*cking government has its hands covered in blood since they denied the pandemic and didn't accept it until the feminist march happened to earn some populist votes (don't come for me since I'm a gay man and if it was Pride I would said f*ck pride aswell until all this passes). They DID HIDE, LITERALLY, the numbers and victims from that day and the 2 previous ones, and all the politicians and wives that attended the event are infected now, and one of them even ignoring the quarantine procedure he should be under; when everything started to escalate, they spent literally a week until starting to cut the communication between communities inside Spain. Result: Madrid is literally in the middle of Spain and it got spread ALL AROUND from there, from the center to every extreme. Now we're reaching a media of 700 DEATHS PER DAY, plus +5.000 INFECTIONS, which can be +50.000 easily in real numbers since THEY. DON'T. TEST. YOU.

I have some friends and their familiars already at intensive care units, they were sent back home with symptoms and they didn't accept them inside the hospitals until they were CHOKING when breathing because they're collapsed and they have orders to not accept NOR TEST YOU unless your breathing ways are obstructed and you're in risk of dying right there. They're NOT ALLOWED to take any documentation inside intensive care (photos, videos, explanations), in my community they're about to pass an order to the medical teams to NOT TALK about what's going on inside. You have some videos of Italy on LiveLeak, and I have friends working in hospitals in Spain, I've talked with them through phone and they've started to cry, I can do nothing, I'm scared for my family and I don't give a sh*it if I get it, I'm anxious because people I know is losing familiars without even being able to say good-bye and I'm f*cking scared of losing my parents, my brother, my granparents, my friends. The boyfriend of a friend has a brother working in Italy and he got it, he got worse and worse and he thought he was gonna die, he told him that the beds were one meter away one from another, and that people were dying constantly and more coming in non stop, he's still in shock and he thought he was gonna be the next at any moment. Two nurses have k*lled themselves in Italy (I'm not making this out, you can check all this online, example: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/italian-nurse-commits-suicide-another-683-people-die-coronavirus/) and 15% of the doctors in Spain have been infected because they don't have the necessary equipment; I'm so frustrated because this looks staged, like if they wanted the virus to spread to make especially older people die, there's another videos of nurses saying that they have orders from the government to not accept them when they need breathing assistance to survive (https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=u490d_1585097436, and the woman has a profile on facebook while she updates and in the beginning she even posted a video from inside the hospital, so it's checked that she's not crazy or making this out of nothing, she'll be fired or "gone" soon for sure). It's NUTS.

And the worst is that I'm 100% sure that this is China's government fault (I want to make emphasis on GOVERNMENT, I'm not blaming China citizens, that are totally innocent on this and I have nothing against them). Apart of the conspiracy theories that you can ignore or believe and about the people involved on the labs of Wuhan and the study and simulation they did last year about a pandemic (official documents available online aswell); it's quite clear that this is gonna escalate and get worse and worse, and it's clear that the virus is a weapon. Regular weapons are now too destructive. You cannot use the armies anymore, you cannot drop atomic bombs, you cannot attack countries like before without creating a chain of total destruction. Just because we're allowed to go to malls, have everything on the internet, blah blah blah doesn't mean that our governments turned good by magic, check all the atrocities humans have done through history, how twisted the meat industry is and how we do treat and exploit animals, what does make you think that they have the minimum respect for us or that they don't see us as livestock aswell? difference is that now for spying everything can be done online, and everyone carries a camera and a microphone 24/7 (smartphone).

How do you conquer the countries now? through economy and monopoly, owning the companies, the supplies, the energy. Let's check what has happened in a month:

OIL PRICE

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts

WTI Crude (US) from 51$ to 24$

Brent Crude (UK) from 55$ to 30$
 

etc. etc., you can check it all at the link. Now:

"China could spend billions buying stocks if the coronavirus panic continues. It's done it before"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/investing/china-markets-coronavirus/index.html

"Spain buys medical equipment worth 432 million euros from China"

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/spain-buys-medical-equipment-worth-432-million-euros-from-china/articleshow/74815219.cms

"China buys record volume of Russian oil as European demand dives"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-oil-china/china-buys-record-volume-of-russian-oil-as-european-demand-dives-traders-idUSKBN21C2BA

"China Buys the World"

https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9789811074936

"British Steel bought by China's Jingye"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/09/british-steel-bought-by-china-jingye-saving-more-than-3000-jobs

"China buys 1.2 million tonnes of US grain"

https://www.bakingbusiness.com/articles/50604-china-buys-12-million-tonnes-of-us-grain

 

 

etc. etc. etc.

 

Now think, do you really believe that a country that has 1.400.000.000 people living in has reduced their local infections to 0 as they claim? and that are checking every single human being? 

Also, do you really believe that they built those hospitals in less than a week? 

Do you think that it is normal that after being accused of HIDING the pandemic at the beginning since December, no one talks about it after donating +20M to WHO and sending 9 doctors to Italy to be called heroes?

THEY KNEW, and they WAITED until it got spread out as they wanted, and something smells really bad inside the EU.

Since when are we this dumb? 

When this is over I hope we all go to the streets and start to burn EVERYTHING DOWN. I hope none of us loses more of our loved ones. 

And seriously guys, if you're in the US, prepare yourselves for a major lockdown, this is gonna last MANY MONTHS. This is World War III, and I'm not kidding. It's not just the virus, it is what it's coming afterwards. Prepare yourselves for another major economic world crisis, prepare yourselves for lack of stocks and maybe certain types of food, forget about new technologies and events like music concerts or simply going out to a bar, prepare for riots and the vanishing of the middle class and to become more poor. My blood is boiling. 

[ThunderSwallow 411]

12 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

China is actually treating their patients, while some countries in Europe are killing the older generation to save younger people. They are also suing doctors who are printing ventilators to save lifes!

Sorry the fact is many Chinese died at home without any care especially in Wuhan city. 

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17 minutes ago, ThunderSwallow said:

Sorry the fact is many Chinese died at home without any care especially in Wuhan city. 

China has 81,285 cases, and 3,287 deaths.

Spain has 49,515  cases, and 3,647 deaths.

Italy is 8000 deaths!!!

[ThunderSwallow 411]

3 hours ago, mezzanine said:

I'll leave my text under spoiler since it might be TRIGGERING, so don't read it if you're psychologically affected by covid-19, sorry guys 

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I'm having a big meltdown, I'm half italian half spanish (born and raised there) and I'm living since 2 years in Berlin, I cannot go back to Spain to spend this moment with my family and there's leaked videos of the hospitals and the people dying and it's devastating. The Ice Palace of Madrid has been reconverted into a morgue (this space was used for things like trainings for the olympic games), they don't have enough personal or facilities and our f*cking government has its hands covered in blood since they denied the pandemic and didn't accept it until the feminist march happened to earn some populist votes (don't come for me since I'm a gay man and if it was Pride I would said f*ck pride aswell until all this passes). They DID HIDE, LITERALLY, the numbers and victims from that day and the 2 previous ones, and all the politicians and wives that attended the event are infected now, and one of them even ignoring the quarantine procedure he should be under; when everything started to escalate, they spent literally a week until starting to cut the communication between communities inside Spain. Result: Madrid is literally in the middle of Spain and it got spread ALL AROUND from there, from the center to every extreme. Now we're reaching a media of 700 DEATHS PER DAY, plus +5.000 INFECTIONS, which can be +50.000 easily in real numbers since THEY. DON'T. TEST. YOU.

I have some friends and their familiars already at intensive care units, they were sent back home with symptoms and they didn't accept them inside the hospitals until they were CHOKING when breathing because they're collapsed and they have orders to not accept NOR TEST YOU unless your breathing ways are obstructed and you're in risk of dying right there. They're NOT ALLOWED to take any documentation inside intensive care (photos, videos, explanations), in my community they're about to pass an order to the medical teams to NOT TALK about what's going on inside. You have some videos of Italy on LiveLeak, and I have friends working in hospitals in Spain, I've talked with them through phone and they've started to cry, I can do nothing, I'm scared for my family and I don't give a sh*it if I get it, I'm anxious because people I know is losing familiars without even being able to say good-bye and I'm f*cking scared of losing my parents, my brother, my granparents, my friends. The boyfriend of a friend has a brother working in Italy and he got it, he got worse and worse and he thought he was gonna die, he told him that the beds were one meter away one from another, and that people were dying constantly and more coming in non stop, he's still in shock and he thought he was gonna be the next at any moment. Two nurses have k*lled themselves in Italy (I'm not making this out, you can check all this online, example: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/italian-nurse-commits-suicide-another-683-people-die-coronavirus/) and 15% of the doctors in Spain have been infected because they don't have the necessary equipment; I'm so frustrated because this looks staged, like if they wanted the virus to spread to make especially older people die, there's another videos of nurses saying that they have orders from the government to not accept them when they need breathing assistance to survive (https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=u490d_1585097436, and the woman has a profile on facebook while she updates and in the beginning she even posted a video from inside the hospital, so it's checked that she's not crazy or making this out of nothing, she'll be fired or "gone" soon for sure). It's NUTS.

And the worst is that I'm 100% sure that this is China's government fault (I want to make emphasis on GOVERNMENT, I'm not blaming China citizens, that are totally innocent on this and I have nothing against them). Apart of the conspiracy theories that you can ignore or believe and about the people involved on the labs of Wuhan and the study and simulation they did last year about a pandemic (official documents available online aswell); it's quite clear that this is gonna escalate and get worse and worse, and it's clear that the virus is a weapon. Regular weapons are now too destructive. You cannot use the armies anymore, you cannot drop atomic bombs, you cannot attack countries like before without creating a chain of total destruction. Just because we're allowed to go to malls, have everything on the internet, blah blah blah doesn't mean that our governments turned good by magic, check all the atrocities humans have done through history, how twisted the meat industry is and how we do treat and exploit animals, what does make you think that they have the minimum respect for us or that they don't see us as livestock aswell? difference is that now for spying everything can be done online, and everyone carries a camera and a microphone 24/7 (smartphone).

How do you conquer the countries now? through economy and monopoly, owning the companies, the supplies, the energy. Let's check what has happened in a month:

OIL PRICE

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts

WTI Crude (US) from 51$ to 24$

Brent Crude (UK) from 55$ to 30$
 

etc. etc., you can check it all at the link. Now:

"China could spend billions buying stocks if the coronavirus panic continues. It's done it before"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/investing/china-markets-coronavirus/index.html

"Spain buys medical equipment worth 432 million euros from China"

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/spain-buys-medical-equipment-worth-432-million-euros-from-china/articleshow/74815219.cms

"China buys record volume of Russian oil as European demand dives"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-oil-china/china-buys-record-volume-of-russian-oil-as-european-demand-dives-traders-idUSKBN21C2BA

"China Buys the World"

https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9789811074936

"British Steel bought by China's Jingye"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/09/british-steel-bought-by-china-jingye-saving-more-than-3000-jobs

"China buys 1.2 million tonnes of US grain"

https://www.bakingbusiness.com/articles/50604-china-buys-12-million-tonnes-of-us-grain

 

 

etc. etc. etc.

 

Now think, do you really believe that a country that has 1.400.000.000 people living in has reduced their local infections to 0 as they claim? and that are checking every single human being? 

Also, do you really believe that they built those hospitals in less than a week? 

Do you think that it is normal that after being accused of HIDING the pandemic at the beginning since December, no one talks about it after donating +20M to WHO and sending 9 doctors to Italy to be called heroes?

THEY KNEW, and they WAITED until it got spread out as they wanted, and something smells really bad inside the EU.

Since when are we this dumb? 

When this is over I hope we all go to the streets and start to burn EVERYTHING DOWN. I hope none of us loses more of our loved ones. 

And seriously guys, if you're in the US, prepare yourselves for a major lockdown, this is gonna last MANY MONTHS. This is World War III, and I'm not kidding. It's not just the virus, it is what it's coming afterwards. Prepare yourselves for another major economic world crisis, prepare yourselves for lack of stocks and maybe certain types of food, forget about new technologies and events like music concerts or simply going out to a bar, prepare for riots and the vanishing of the middle class and to become more poor. My blood is boiling. 

I’m Chinese and I’m with you sending out all my prayers.

Its true Chinese government owns the world a big apology. What’s worst, they shamelessly now accusing US and then Italy is the first discovered this virus with many local media supporting this ideas here. Sadly, most Chinese who only received news within China believe this bullshit. 

We are now have many ppl losing their jobs not just because domestic economic crisis but also whose companies lost tons of orders due to the outbreak in many other countries. 
 

I might losing my job as well since my company is doing Amazon and we can’t even ship our products due to its current non-essential policy.

[ltlmnstr 2,771]

13 hours ago, homomo said:

Also, 21 year old Brit with no underlying conditions died from the virus. This is getting scarier by the day: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-briton-21-with-no-existing-health-conditions-dies-after-contracting-covid-19-11963451

She had asthma 

 

[ThunderSwallow 411]

Just now, Faysalaaa said:

China has 81,285 cases, and 3,287 deaths.

Spain has 49,515  cases, and 3,647 deaths.

Italy is 8000 deaths!!!

We don’t even trust our local report here. See the leaked videos from Wuhan and they just dragged the bodies directly to the crematory from their home and they are not counted in toll. 
 

There are still patients been discovered everyday but you rarely see these news because they want ppl to go back work or the economy will collapse soon.  

[NCgaga 4,345]

7 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

I dont care about your patriotism and being proud of your country.

Just because your country did some good things to you, does not mean its good.

Your country being a Democracy does not mean its good. Many Democratic countries are criminal and unjust. Actually, the most criminal countries in the world are Democratic countries.

You are minimizing governments crimes and holding governments to a different moral standard.

God what is your problem?. You have ZERO problems going after different people's governments and countries. It is ok for people to be proud of who they are and who they came from. You never hesitate to go after European Countries or The USA. Your hatred is obvious. This disease has exposed the weaknesses of many different systems in all the world. The first weakness it exposed was China's poor inspections and regulations of public markets. The next weakness it exposed was Europes lack of preparing for what's to come. Next it will expose America's Healthcare system, and how it will fail in densely populated centers Like NEw York. 

The big things that might save America here vs. Europe, is the aggression a lot of American Governors of states are handling this vs. the American President. Certain states are ALready shutting down certain social institutes, and inforcing shelter in place measures. . The USA does not rely on public transportation, and is nowhere near as densely populated as Europe. However New York is in bad shape and will just get worse. Cases are going to continue to go up in the US, with the availibility of testing becoming more common. HOwever, the spread of the disease outside of NEw York will hopefully gain some control with all the measures in place. 

[Chic 20,830]

I feel like younger people without pre-existing conditions are only really dying from COVID-19 because of the high viral load within the hospitals they're residing in

[ThunderSwallow 411]

23 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

God what is your problem?. You have ZERO problems going after different people's governments and countries. It is ok for people to be proud of who they are and who they came from. You never hesitate to go after European Countries or The USA. Your hatred is obvious. This disease has exposed the weaknesses of many different systems in all the world. The first weakness it exposed was China's poor inspections and regulations of public markets. The next weakness it exposed was Europes lack of preparing for what's to come. Next it will expose America's Healthcare system, and how it will fail in densely populated centers Like NEw York. 

The big things that might save America here vs. Europe, is the aggression a lot of American Governors of states are handling this vs. the American President. Certain states are ALready shutting down certain social institutes, and inforcing shelter in place measures. . The USA does not rely on public transportation, and is nowhere near as densely populated as Europe. However New York is in bad shape and will just get worse. Cases are going to continue to go up in the US, with the availibility of testing becoming more common. HOwever, the spread of the disease outside of NEw York will hopefully gain some control with all the measures in place. 

The most criminal government in the world is in China.

Speaking from a Chinese here.

Ignore what he said. He can’t even criticize his government openly.

[Leblanc 2,503]

8 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

I dont care about your patriotism and being proud of your country.

Just because your country did some good things to you, does not mean its good.

Your country being a Democracy does not mean its good. Many Democratic countries are criminal and unjust. Actually, the most criminal countries in the world are Democratic countries.

You are minimizing governments crimes and holding governments to a different moral standard.

Fine. Spend your life being miserable and wary of everything. Seems like such fun.

I don't care that you think my country is evil, it's kind of funny actually. I really don't give a **** that yours is so 'good' just because it closed it's borders sooner than mine. You seem so smug just because of that.