Queen Bitch 10,513 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Queen Britney really is a communist. Proof: Spoiler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 That's some Gaga and Madonna level BS on their songs being "deep" and "metaphors" and "ironic" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I wish that was real omg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varys 30,891 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Banned 04/19/2020 - 04/19/2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,859 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Didymus said: I wish that was real omg. U wish her wish for communism was real? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Economy said: U wish her wish for communism was real? No, the Work Bitch explanation I'm not against communism though, far from it. I think we should give it a fair chance and I think it's been the victim of xenophobic, pro-capitalist Western political propaganda way too long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,859 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, Maleficent said: That's some Gaga and Madonna level BS on their songs being "deep" and "metaphors" and "ironic" Just Dance meaning: Gaga: When ur in so much pain from the 21st with the injustices of this world and u wanna just move. I wrote this song about our deepest and darkest psychological pains from profound sources. It was really a deep commentary on society Red One: It's a song about dancing and partying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,859 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, Didymus said: No, the Work Bitch explanation I'm not against communism though, far from it. I think we should give it a fair chance and I think it's been the victim of xenophobic, pro-capitalist Western political propaganda way too long I don't think communism could work with humanity being the way it is I think it CAN be great but ppl would have to be way more selfless and considerate and focus more on the common good as a driver of hard work and not themselves And the government would also have to be way more efficient and competent at managing resources really well I have 0 confidence in both as humanity stands right now. It would be a disaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Economy said: I don't think communism could work with humanity being the way it is Because of capitalism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,859 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Didymus said: Because of capitalism Perhaps so. But I don't see attitudes changing enough to make it work even if u changed the system I don't see enough people wanting to go to university for 8 years to become a doctor just to help people without the financial incentive of high pay I don't see people being hard workers at work purely out of hard work ethics or for the sake of being productive to society without the hard expectation from employers trying to make profit And I don't see the Government ever learning to manage resources efficiently cuz they have a tendency for cost overruns on everything Don't get me wrong. It's not communisms potential to be great and fair that I'm putting in question. I'm saying the majority of humanity is not mature or selfless enough to make it work in a prosperous work. I just see reduced drive and poor management of resources Edit: just look at covid-19. Even in a time of crisis some people can't even be considerate enough to not hoard frekin toilet paper. We're too selfish for communism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Economy said: Perhaps so. But I don't see attitudes changing enough to make it work even if u changed the system I don't see enough people wanting to go to university for 8 years to become a doctor just to help people without the financial incentive of high pay I don't see people being hard workers at work out of hard work ethics or for the sake of being productive without the hard expectation from employers trying to make profit And I don't see the Government ever learning to manage resources efficiently cuz they have a tendency for cost overruns on everything Don't get me wrong. It's not communisms potential to be great and fair that I'm putting in question. I'm saying the majority of humanity is not mature or selfless enough to make it work in a prosperous work. I just see reduced drive and poor management of resources This is all reasonable. But there's plenty of scientific research that shows people actually get more motivated AND perform better when they're not stimulated to think about the results of their achievements or how they compare to others The "create incentive through reward" promise of capitalism is rotten. And it's not based on sound science. In fact, the failure of that promise explains a lot of what's going wrong in our society. Yes, people are motivated to get certain jobs to make more money but somehow that's not translating to well-being. Which means no one is really motivated in a sustainable way. Communism is a logical model based on the science that we have. We just need a hell of a lot of practical courage to reorganize the way we live to make it manifest. And there I agree with you: will probably never happen. But imo it's simply not true that human nature itself opposes communism. Again: science shows otherwise. It's history that's the problem. Imo Way to derail this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald 13,841 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Comrade Brinty confirmedT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadariousGarage 1 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Can y'all stop with this communism praise, it doesn't work Tell me ANY communist government, or former communist government, that had free speech, good education, the citizens were not starving, did not have martial law, did not have a dictator, and more than the top 1% didn't suffer as a result of the oppressive government Lets do it baby I know the Law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, LadariousGarage said: Can y'all stop with this communism praise, it doesn't work Tell me ANY communist government, or former communist government, that had free speech, good education, the citizens were not starving, did not have martial law, did not have a dictator, and more than the top 1% didn't suffer as a result of the oppressive government A communist government can't exist This is the main misunderstanding about communism. When most people say communism they really mean Marxism, Maoism or Leninism. No one is confused about those: they do not work indeed But Marxism, Maoism, Leninism ≠ communism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,859 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, Didymus said: This is all reasonable. But there's plenty of scientific research that shows people actually get more motivated AND perform better when they're not stimulated to think about the results of their achievements or how they compare to others The "create incentive through reward" promise of capitalism is rotten. And it's not based on sound science. In fact, the failure of that promise explains a lot of what's going wrong in our society. Yes, people are motivated to get certain jobs to make more money but somehow that's not translating to well-being. Which means no one is really motivated in a sustainable way. Communism is a logical model based on the science that we have. We just need a hell of a lot of practical courage to reorganize the way we live to make it manifest. And there I agree with you: will probably never happen. But imo it's simply not true that human nature itself opposes communism. Again: science shows otherwise. It's history that's the problem. Imo Way to derail this thread Well how are we gonna convince ppl to do trashy jobs no one wants to do or complicated jobs that require a lot of education with nothing in it for them and purely on the attitude that it's good for society? I edited my comment but u responded before I finished I mentioned that covid-19 is a perfect example of how ppl have too much of a me first mentality. Some ppl even during a crisis don't think about others and hoard toilet paper and produce for themselves that they can't possibly all use That me first attitude HAS to go before communism can work. That's a problem that exists among humanity as a whole, it's not just the rich. The rich have more of an opportunity to show it but everyday ppl have a me first attitude too Communism to be prosperous would require the exact opposite. It's the community first and me second. I'm going to do this sacrafice cuz it's good for everyone even tho it's not pleasent and I get nothing out of it Then there's the issue u still haven't responded to. Governments have shown time and time again they are incapable of running tasks and project's with the same efficiency as private companies that are always focused with their bottom lines so are always paying attention to not having unnecessary over staffing or waste of resources. When ever governemnts run a state owned company or build projects they always require more money and labor to accomplish the same task. So there's that issue too, we'd have lower productivity Again I'm not slamming ur idea, I think a successful communism would be the ULTIMATE accomplishment of a highly civilized society But I think humans are just too selfish by nature (I know some individuals aren't but I mean in general) and incompetent to make it work and I don't know of any Government that has ever attempted it that has had true prosperity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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