Britney Endorses Communism

[Mr Mirko 743]

Communion is beyond the walls

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[littlepotter 75,147]

21 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

The fact that I can clearly tell which users are from former communist countries based on their posts.

Good luck for the Western girls at practicing this communism they are talking about.

Do share, which users do you believe are from former communist countries?

Are you defending capitalism?

[FfFfFfFF 56,281]

6 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

Agree to disagree.

It's not that a simple requirement is unmet. It's very core nature is completely different. Communism, as defined by Marx and before him, is anarchist. What countries did was authoritarian. That's not a matter of checking boxes, that's completely the opposite which is why you can't reasonably use the same word to define that.

The distinction is important so we can actually truly understand the authoritarian regimes and condemn those instead of scapegoat anarcho-communism with it, something that has nothing to do with those regimes and hasn't ever been done.

Classless society was the goal but was meant to be achieved through phases.

And we are talking and having in mind two words it seems. Communism is what has happened (and it did happen), not solely Marx's idea even though it's one of the forms it got. Democracy is what is happening today, not the society of Ancient Greece where only a certain group of men were allowed to vote and be citizens (this is what the first democracy was).

Seeing so many Western people which are to an extend privileged and didn't experience what most people did experience during communist regimes talk about communism feels like they are seeking something exotic, cool and in the end end up looking ignorant.

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

Who wrote this for her?

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

20 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

Marx is literally the first person to come up with the concept. He wrote the communist manifesto... other forms of communism are attempts at doing something else under the name of communism. If you read the manifesto, you'd know what communism really is, a stateless, classless society, and how nothing we've had is close to that.

What you're saying is like "democracy has multiple forms and a liberal democracy is one of them. North Korea's is another."

And I'm not a communist. I believe communism is unachievable. But the facts are we've never had communism, only authoritarian governments that claimed to be communist.

I have no reason to glamorize it. I recognize the awful acts of injustice that occurred under self-proclaimed communist regimes. Calling them what they really were (aka not communist) doesn't make me a sympathizer for their atrocities.

True and I think the same applies to capitalism also: it has never truly existed, but like communism has only been an idea, attempted to implement into reality by many with varying degress of success/failure. Both are only ideas. But at the end of the day we are all human and are self-serving, with a little bit of communism and capitalism in all of us.

As my favourite philosopher Nicholas Taleb says:

“I am, at the Fed level, libertarian;

at the state level, Republican;

at the local level, Democrat;

and at the family and friends level, a socialist”

 

[derpmonster 22,412]

Just now, FfFfFfFF said:

Seeing so many Western people which are to an extend privileged and didn't experience what most people did experience during communist regimes talk about communism feels like they are seeking something exotic, cool and in the end ignorant.

I understand this sentiment and I'd like to mention I'm not from a Western country. I share a border with China. We even had a short war with China. I know up close what their definition of communism is like. And it's just not like communism at all.

I don't see communism as something exotic or cool. I see it as something unachievable especially in today's world.

[derpmonster 22,412]

5 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

True and I think the same applies to capitalism also: it has never truly existed, but like communism has only been an idea, attempted to implement into reality by many with varying degress of success/failure. Both are only ideas. But at the end of the day we are all human and are self-serving, with a little bit of communism and capitalism in all of us.

As my favourite philosopher Nicholas Taleb says:

“I am, at the Fed level, libertarian;

at the state level, Republican;

at the local level, Democrat;

and at the family and friends level, a socialist”

 

That's true. We don't have an anarcho capitalist system (something that could be true free market) and that would actually be a disaster (and likely unachievable, because someone would become a dictator instead) just like for anarcho communism.

While I disagree with Taleb's approach, it's something of a common sentiment among Americans and their politicians and is an honest way of expressing it.

What's funny is that it's sort of how anarcho-communism is supposed to work. No state, but a bottom up socialism. It can't however be just for family or friends and requires cooperation. 

[hankhatesyouall 2,731]

Somebody decided to sabotage her. Since I'm pretty sure that she didn't even read what she wrote, we are safe to assume that she's not promoting socialism. I'm not sure whether she can even differentiate between capitalism and socialism anyway. 

This thread is so embarrassing though. You can always move to some failing social paradises like Venezuela with rampant crime and hyperinflation. Why would you want to ruin thriving capitalist countries?

[FfFfFfFF 56,281]

6 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

I understand this sentiment and I'd like to mention I'm not from a Western country. I share a border with China. We even had a short war with China. I know up close what their definition of communism is like. And it's just not like communism at all.

I don't see communism as something exotic or cool. I see it as something unachievable especially in today's world.

Then the issue is sematic.

But you go against the fact that this word ''communism'' is known and used to talk about a certain reality by millions (every person in my country knows what communism is because they or they parent's lived in it).. So many resources and books state that certain countries were communism and to claim ''nope, that wasn't true communism'' seems like denial. It's again like saying democracy is no longer democracy because this is not what was originally happening in Ancient Greece.

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1 minute ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Then the issue is sematic.

But you go against the fact that this word ''communism'' is known and used to talk about a certain reality by millions (every person in my country knows what communism is because they or they parent's lived in it).. So many resources and books state that certain countries were communism and to deny it seems like denial in a way. It's again like saying democracy is no longer democracy because this is not what was originally happening in Ancient Greece.

The issue is semantic and I make it a point because it's a widespread misconception because of propaganda from all sides. It wasn't just propaganda from anti-communists. After the revolution, people in these countries loved the idea of communism and looked at it with hope and optimism. Then some leaders got into power and did their own thing while still calling it communism because that's what people loved. Eventually communism came to be associated with what these people did but that's simply not accurate. That's not the communism that people speak of when they imply anything positive about it today.

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[Lord Temptation 11,209]

1 minute ago, derpmonster said:

That's true. We don't have an anarcho capitalist system (something that could be true free market) and that would actually be a disaster (and likely unachievable, because someone would become a dictator instead) just like for anarcho communism.

While I disagree with Taleb's approach, it's something of a common sentiment among Americans and their politicians and is an honest way of expressing it.

Taleb is a bastard and he knows it. But he is an honest bastard. He uses mathematics to debunk lots of “intellectual idiots” or IYIs as he calls them, who preach one thing for everyone else but the opposite for them, and because I have a uni background in maths/stats I got interested in his book The Black Swan. The man literally predicted the Global Financial Crisis in 2006. In his book Antifragile in 2012 he predicted Coronavirus. 

I feel that anarcho-capitalism is what existed when humans were hunter-gatherers. It need not imply we were all raping and thieving from each other. When people imagine pure communism they usually picture some sort of harmonious utopia, but when they imagine “pure capitalism” they usually imagine anarchy. I’m not sure why that is...

[PrinceOfTheStorm 5,904]

are we really having a communism debate 

[Queen Bitch 10,513]

In Danish we have a saying: "Du får ret og jeg får fred", which means "you get to be right, and I get peace". I think that's what we should be saying to each other. Otherwise this discussion will go on forever. It has already completely derailed the thread. 

Can't we just all agree to disagree? 

reason for edit: it seemed passive agressive