Morphine Prince 109,648 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 With high turnout we can at least keep the House in November. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,563 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, HybridAT said: This is all really projection though. Ends justify the means. I don't understand why the "progressives" react this way. In the end, incrementalism is still a step *forward*, not backward. If you don't support the progress, whatever little it may be, you're reactionary and regressive, not a true progressive. You were never in it for the right reasons. Sorry not sorry. There’s nothing to apologize for bc you didn’t say anything. The Climate Crisis has a due date before BAD damage is irreversible. Student debt has a due date before people are so straddled with debt that when they pay it off, it’s too late to create and sustain a family. Medicare HAD a due date when the first person died bc they couldn’t afford to afford healthcare - how many more must die? How many? I do agree it is reactionary to reply to adequately reply to these issues, moderates don’t do that. The progressive label comes in when we lead the biggest and boldest action to make real change. The only reason incriminate steps exist is to not piss off the rich. Most of the country wants M4A. There is no valid reason for moderate steps that don’t get the job done. 20 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said: It's not life and death for you because... You don't live here. You will be okay under a second Trump term because... You don't live here. You should chill because... You don't live here. American politics LEAD the world, hello! Other countries follow them when they decide to call the world to action. They’re one of the biggest problems for the climate crisis, and them going green would have huge impacts. The whole world suffers under increased temperatures. It inconveniences me when my relates in the states go thru medical BS they didn’t have to bc the system is too greedy for it to be humane. It sucks when my friends can’t afford things bc they have so much debt and can’t start families. We are too interconnected as a planet for your argument to be valid anymore. This nationality card isn’t gonna make you any more correct and definitely won’t shut me up so maybe actually try fighting ideas with... an idea??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,563 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, Woolfsmck said: @Economy ... Who do you support for US dem nom … does it even matter to you? LOL Peeps arguing about what you think... He’s said some things that seem moderate so that’s why I brought him up. I’ve even debated him on some things. Y’all missed that post and that’s fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,842 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, Woolfsmck said: @Economy ... Who do you support for US dem nom … does it even matter to you? LOL Peeps arguing about what you think... My opinion on this is complicated to say the least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,563 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 27 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said: It's not life and death for you because... You don't live here. You will be okay under a second Trump term because... You don't live here. You should chill because... You don't live here. and another thing, just bc I won’t die, doesn’t mean others won’t. You’re clearly not voting for yourself only, and I support a candidate that’s gonna be better for all. If we have clear opposing values of selflessness vs. selfishness then maybe we should stop mentioning each other bc I don’t think we’ll ever agree on anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: There’s nothing to apologize for bc you didn’t say anything. The Climate Crisis has a due date before BAD damage is irreversible. Student debt has a due date before people are so straddled with debt that when they pay it off, it’s too late to create and sustain a family. Medicare HAD a due date when the first person died bc they couldn’t afford to afford healthcare - how many more must die? How many? I do agree it is reactionary to reply to adequately reply to these issues, moderates don’t do that. The progressive label comes in when we lead the biggest and boldest action to make real change. The only reason incriminate steps exist is to not piss off the rich. Most of the country wants M4A. There is no valid reason for moderate steps that don’t get the job done. American politics LEAD the world, hello! Other countries follow them when they decide to call the world to action. They’re one of the biggest problems for the climate crisis, and them going green would have huge impacts. The whole world suffers under increased temperatures. It inconveniences me when my relates in the states go thru medical BS they didn’t have to bc the system is too greedy for it to be humane. It sucks when my friends can’t afford things bc they have so much debt and can’t start families. We are too interconnected as a planet for your argument to be valid anymore. This nationality card isn’t gonna make you any more correct and definitely won’t shut me up so maybe actually try fighting ideas with... an idea??? And this is my problem with it. Real change happens when you put forward ideas that are actually achievable and sustainable. Bernie's plans were neither fiscally responsible nor congressionally feasible. He didn't want to nuke the filibuster, nor was he a great choice for downballot races. He himself said he had no idea how to pay for his plans or how they'd get passed. How would the change ever occur if there's no mechanism to bring about that change and reset all the progress made? Yes progressivism is sorely needed to advance good ideas. But progressivism without pragmatism is a pipe dream. If you're going to keep denying the quarter that you can have for a dollar that you can never have, then you're being your own worst enemy. He's not the only vehicle for progressivism and his supporters need to stop acting as gatekeepers of progressivism. My biggest reason for not supporting him was not because I'm against progressive ideas. It's because he had no ideas how to achieve his own desired outcomes. To bring about that change, he relied on a "revolution" that was based on probability. The young voters just didn't turn out for him in the numbers he wanted. That's how unsustainable his plan to achieve progressive success was. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: With high turnout we can at least keep the House in November. The last prediction I saw was Democrats gaining 6 seats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 6 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: and they still expect us to #VoteBlueNoMatterWho The way moderate elite just. don’t. care. when it goes past changing their logos for Pride month Us? You aren’t voting! The people who are voting for Biden are not elite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoj305 3,774 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, HybridAT said: This is all really projection though. Ends justify the means. I don't understand why the "progressives" react this way. In the end, incrementalism is still a step *forward*, not backward. If you don't support the progress, whatever little it may be, you're reactionary and regressive, not a true progressive. You were never in it for the right reasons. Sorry not sorry. Say that to Martin Luther king. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Leoj305 said: Say that to Martin Luther king. Bernie is not MLK. The comparison is offensive. Please just don't. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoj305 3,774 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, HybridAT said: Bernie is not MLK. The comparison is offensive. Please just don't. Half of the country working less than a living wage Half of the country having horrible to no healthcare half of the country poorly educated I consider this a problem. But hey let’s take the baby steps first. even if Biden opposes 90mpercent of progressive policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,563 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, HybridAT said: And this is my problem with it. Real change happens when you put forward ideas that are actually achievable and sustainable. Bernie's plans were neither fiscally responsible nor congressionally feasible. He didn't want to nuke the filibuster, nor was he a great choice for downballot races. He himself said he had no idea how to pay for his plans or how they'd get passed. How would the change ever occur if there's no mechanism to bring about that change and reset all the progress made? Yes progressivism is sorely needed to advance good ideas. But progressivism without pragmatism is a pipe dream. If you're going to keep denying the quarter that you can have for a dollar that you can never have, then you're being your own worst enemy. He's not the only vehicle for progressivism and his supporters need to stop acting as gatekeepers of progressivism. My biggest reason for not supporting him was not because I'm against progressive ideas. It's because he had no ideas how to achieve his own desired outcomes. To bring about that change, he relied on a "revolution" that was based on probability. The young voters just didn't turn out for him in the numbers he wanted. That's how unsustainable his plan to achieve progressive success was. And do you know how those ideas and change gets achieved? When you have the power of the people. Women’s rights and civil rights were not achieved from the top down, but from the bottom up. When the people care, and start a public pressure campaign, anything can get done. He needed a passionate grassroots movement, and the dem establishment just stepped on and squandered that. Bernie’s plans were fiscally responsible, and he had a plan to pay for them. Always had. It’s even on his site rn. If you actually wanna talk about fiscal responsibility, then notice M4A saves $450M a year, and how an the current healthcare system AND a public option remains the more expensive route. Universal health care is NOT a pipe dream when it’s achieved in counties significantly poorer than the US. That’s why Medicare For All has majorly support in EVERY state tested, but yet everyone voted for a candidate who doesn’t support it. The MSM didn’t give them permission to, by saying he’s unelectable and it’s tragic since Bernie is at the mainstream of American opinion when it comes to healthcare, education and climate. There is no such thing as “too expensive.” It’s just the rich that are in the way and don’t wanna give up to pay a modest amount more, and that is the real issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,004 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Whispering said: Us? You aren’t voting! The people who are voting for Biden are not elite. Right?! Calling us selfish, immature, and all other names, and didn't even realize it they are describing themselves. Never understand how jaded these people are, like, damn. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ᶠʳᵒⁿᵗ ᵗᵒʷᵃʳᵈ ᵉⁿᵉᵐʸ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Young people have accepted Biden will win and they don't care. Same thing happened on Super Tuesday. They could have given him a boost tonight. Bernie lost them. They don’t care about Bernie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,648 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just realized nothing drastic will be done about climate change now on the US's part. F*ck. Trump won't do anything and Biden said he's be moderate on climate change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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