chris777 112 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 So The US is the only market that matters when we talk about Gaga's success, but we dis Taylor Swift for being local in the only market that matters? The other markets combined are much larger than the US and having success in all of them is far better than only being successful in the US. Y&I was a great single choice for the US but it was clearly terrible for the WW market. imo she should have tried a double single release with Scheisse for international markets and Y&I for the US. Haha totally this :dies: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magoo 6 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 So The US is the only market that matters when we talk about Gaga's success, but we dis Taylor Swift for being local in the only market that matters? The other markets combined are much larger than the US and having success in all of them is far better than only being successful in the US. Y&I was a great single choice for the US but it was clearly terrible for the WW market. imo she should have tried a double single release with Scheisse for international markets and Y&I for the US. Exactly. Scheisse would have done as well in Europe etc as Y+I did in the US; and Scheisse would have done as badly in the US as Y+I did in the rest of the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The US is the only market that matters, GGD is the only stanboard that forgets that lol. I don't agree with that! The music doesn't belong to US. :grr: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Exactly. Scheisse would have done as well in Europe etc as Y+I did in the US; and Scheisse would have done as badly in the US as Y+I did in the rest of the world. Yeah, Y&I was perfect for the U.S as Scheiße is with Europe. I was really bummed that we never got a double release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The US is the only market that matters, GGD is the only stanboard that forgets that lol. Of course US is the biggest music marrket but all music markets matter, some more, some less! :redface: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I don't agree with that! The music doesn't belong to US. He never claimed music belonged to the U.S. All he meant is that if you're a nobody in the U.S you're a nobody in the music world. Yes the U.K, Japan, and Germany are important. But they're just little "bonuses". You think people give a **** who Rita Ora is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Not always. Both You and I and Judas are around 2.5M singles sold WW. The difference is that 2M of Y&I sales come from the US and only around 800K-900K of Judas singles sales come from the US. It makes more sense to me to say that Judas was bigger because it flopped in less countries and made more impact than Y&I. Gaga doesnt need the US because she gets lots of sales outside of it even though she is almost an exception on the pop field, it really shows how the US market is overrated. And by saying that the US is the only relevant market you are indirectly saying that Taylor Swift is a much bigger artist than Gaga. Without Japan, Canada, Europe, Australia, and South America Gaga wouldnt be half as sucessful as she is today. This!!! He never claimed music belonged to the U.S. All he meant is that if you're a nobody in the U.S you're a nobody in the music world. Yes the U.K, Japan, and Germany are important. But they're just little "bonuses". You think people give a **** who Rita Ora is? In the way you express it yes you are right, but in his way I would say no! I don't blame noone, he just expressed his opinion! ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake 0 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Double releases suck. It separates fans and she can never really double release because her music videos get so much attention now. EDIT: And people really need to remember how critical the US is to every artist, including Gaga. Well over a forth of Gaga's total record sales come from one country-The United States. Other markets obviously matter, but she needs to make sure she's appealing to America's musical tastes. She could rely only on the numbers of her international sales, but I doubt any of us would like to see the inevitable cut to her production budget on tours and videos. EDIT 2: I decided to check my number just in case I was going to look stupid () and it turns out Gaga has sold 50,575,705 records in the US, over half her total sales. I'll be accepting y'alls you were right cards in the mail. :hor: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magoo 6 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Double releases suck. It separates fans and she can never really double release because her music videos get so much attention now. EDIT: And people really need to remember how critical the US is to every artist, including Gaga. Well over a forth of Gaga's total record sales come from one country-The United States. Other markets obviously matter, but she needs to make sure she's appealing to America's musical tastes. She could rely only on the numbers of her international sales, but I doubt any of us would like to see the inevitable cut to her production budget on tours and videos. EDIT 2: I decided to check my number just in case I was going to look stupid ( ) and it turns out Gaga has sold 50,575,705 records in the US, over half her total sales. I'll be accepting y'alls you were right cards in the mail. I think double releases are fine. In that case I'd have been rooting for the success of Y+I in the US and at the same time rooting for the success of Scheisse in Europe. We'd have videos for both, the Y+I video paid for out of the US sales and the Scheisse video paid for out of the ROW sales. And of course folk can still purchase either song. In my case in the UK there was no point in pushing Y+I to radio; it might as well not been released at all outside the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 EDIT 2: I decided to check my number just in case I was going to look stupid ( ) and it turns out Gaga has sold 50,575,705 records in the US, over half her total sales. That includes itunes, and inflates US sales because they are more likely to cherry pick singles than people in the UK etc who buy her albums. What really matters is tour profits, and as long as Gaga has more dates and makes more money in the other 5 continents than N.A., she needs to consider their musical tastes in singles. If Rita Ora was as big all over Europe as in the UK, she'd be bigger than Wiz Khalifa or Jason Aldean who are only big in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch4rmed0ne 0 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Exactly. Scheisse would have done as well in Europe etc as Y+I did in the US; and Scheisse would have done as badly in the US as Y+I did in the rest of the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick4bty 2,758 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Try keeps hovering right outside the Top 10 on iTunes. At least it's staying steady....wish P!nk would give one more performance of it though. That would definitely push it higher. Why the fuq are we still arguing about the success of Y&I? It's undeniable how successful it was. It isn't that easy to sell 2 million copies of a single in the U.S. nowadays, and the U.S is the largest market. And it peaked at #6. What exactly is not successful here??? C'mon rising on iTunes - it was only a matter of time. Next Top 10 hit for Ke$ha. Although Die Young is still holding strong on iTunes. What are the latest airplay figures for Die Young and C'mon? Happy to see Daylight keep rising. And Catch My Breath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 Gaga can get the world markets back easily, but the same cant be said about the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommymonster44 0 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Try keeps hovering right outside the Top 10 on iTunes. At least it's staying steady....wish P!nk would give one more performance of it though. That would definitely push it higher. Why the fuq are we still arguing about the success of Y&I? It's undeniable how successful it was. It isn't that easy to sell 2 million copies of a single in the U.S. nowadays, and the U.S is the largest market. And it peaked at #6. What exactly is not successful here??? C'mon rising on iTunes - it was only a matter of time. Next Top 10 hit for Ke$ha. Although Die Young is still holding strong on iTunes. What are the latest airplay figures for Die Young and C'mon? Happy to see Daylight keep rising. And Catch My Breath. These are the figures for pop radio only: 5 6 KE$HA Die Young 9439 10850 -1411 71.336 +8 Spins +120 Bullet +0.481 Audience 32 29 KE$HA C'mon 2258 1316 942 18.549 + 59 spins − 193 bullet + 0.614 audience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymlover 340 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 US is the most important market, but if you want to become a pop icon, you have to dominate multiple markets (which is not Gaga's problem, because she's clearly big in Asia, some European countries and South America. The fact that Y&I didn't do well outside the US doesn't mean she's irrelevant WW). If I put Taylor's example before, it's only because she's totally irrelevant worldwide but huge in the US, and tour wise, she's totally absent outside the US. It doesn't work the same for Taylor than it works for Gaga. About double releases, I think it would be better commercially, but it would separate the fans and affect the experience as a Gaga follower. As she said in some interview, she wants all her fans to experience the same at the same time, and a double release would prevent us from that experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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