Tommymonster44 0 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Okay guys, could someone do some Billboard explaining to me? I generally just follow Chr/Pop, so I don't know much about Billboard. So here's a few questions: 1) How are the Top 100 position weighted / how do you calculate the positions. 2) What were the recent Billboard changes? I've never cared enough to look into it. ;). 3) What sources do you guys use to calculate the charts before they are released / I always see the calculations posted on here. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Okay guys, could someone do some Billboard explaining to me? I generally just follow Chr/Pop, so I don't know much about Billboard. So here's a few questions: 1) How are the Top 100 position weighted / how do you calculate the positions. 2) What were the recent Billboard changes? I've never cared enough to look into it. ;). 3) What sources do you guys use to calculate the charts before they are released / I always see the calculations posted on here. Thanks! 2) Changes to genre charts like R&B/Hip-Hop and Country were made to now include digital sales instead of just Airplay Why has OMN been #1 for so long? Is it because of radio backing? It seems like it's a much bigger hit than it should have been.. #1 on Radio #1 on Digital Songs for 1 week (or 2, not really sure) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Why has OMN been #1 for so long? Is it because of radio backing? It seems like it's a much bigger hit than it should have been.. Radio has been playing the **** out of it for weeks, in a way no other song that is selling can match. They played the **** out of Pink's single too, but it couldn't hang around in itunes top 10 to benefit. Meanwhile PSY dominates sales and streaming for weeks, but it isn't even in top 10 on pop radio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommymonster44 0 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Radio has been playing the **** out of it for weeks, in a way no other song that is selling can match. They played the **** out of Pink's single too, but it couldn't hang around in itunes top 10 to benefit. Meanwhile PSY dominates sales and streaming for weeks, but it isn't even in top 10 on pop radio. 1 1 MAROON 5 One More Night 14064 13873 191 102.552 − 22 spins − 69 bullet + 0.070 audience I don't think most people have realized how big this has become. It's cracked the 14,000 spin mark. Only true mega-radio-hits do that. In other news, it appears as though Ke$ha is destined to be the next chart topper. All the songs above her on Billboard will start falling soon. As long nobody flies over her from the back, she's on the right track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I think Rihanna could rival Ke$ha for that #1 spot depending on who releases their video first! It'll be an interesting match! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,267 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I've always found it difficult to get my head around how different the US charts are from the UK ones in the way that songs chart. In America, a song debuting at #1 is rare and as such, it's a huge deal and considered a massive honour to achieve. In the UK, a song debuting at #1 is as normal as day turns to night. In fact, fans tend to worry when a song doesn't debut at #1, for it's unlikely to get there in the coming weeks. That happened to BTW. Also, in America, a song can take weeks and weeks to get to #1, likely due to the massive population, massive amounts of radio stations accounting for the public taking a while to really let the song soak into their consciousness, hence why some songs can take well over a month before reaching the top. WFL is one of Rihanna's biggest hits and it took six weeks to get to #1 in the US and the same was true for a lot of Katy Perry's singles. In the UK, you just don't get that. If your song hasn't hit #1 within three weeks, max, it's not going to. In America, they seem content with just having the same songs in the top 40 for a long, long time because of the reasons stated above and don't seem to get bored of always seeing the same old charts. In the UK, the public is always starving for new tracks, so our top 40 is rarely the same for weeks on end, particularly because there's so many one hit wonders who get off to a great start then drop like a stone, only to be replaced by the next one hit wonder. It took me a long time to realise all this, though. It would always annoy me when my least favourite artists would get #1 after #1 in the US even though their single was released, like, two months ago, so I thought their chance of a #1 was long past and then, boom! #1 well after the song has gotten stale in the rest of the world. For that, I always feel like the US is really behind the rest of the world's music tastes. They take forever to come round to a song that's been a worldwide hit and they have the same songs that dominate on radio for weeks until they slowly disperse. These new Billboard rules are awful. Radio will keep the most generic crap on repeat play so the country can't get over it. I can only imagine the airplay LMFAO would have gotten had their singles been around after this rule was put in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I've always found it difficult to get my head around how different the US charts are from the UK ones in the way that songs chart. In America, a song debuting at #1 is rare and as such, it's a huge deal and considered a massive honour to achieve. In the UK, a song debuting at #1 is as normal as day turns to night. In fact, fans tend to worry when a song doesn't debut at #1, for it's unlikely to get there in the coming weeks. That happened to BTW. Also, in America, a song can take weeks and weeks to get to #1, likely due to the massive population, massive amounts of radio stations accounting for the public taking a while to really let the song soak into their consciousness, hence why some songs can take well over a month before reaching the top. WFL is one of Rihanna's biggest hits and it took six weeks to get to #1 in the US and the same was true for a lot of Katy Perry's singles. In the UK, you just don't get that. If your song hasn't hit #1 within three weeks, max, it's not going to. In America, they seem content with just having the same songs in the top 40 for a long, long time because of the reasons stated above and don't seem to get bored of always seeing the same old charts. In the UK, the public is always starving for new tracks, so our top 40 is rarely the same for weeks on end, particularly because there's so many one hit wonders who get off to a great start then drop like a stone, only to be replaced by the next one hit wonder. It took me a long time to realise all this, though. It would always annoy me when my least favourite artists would get #1 after #1 in the US even though their single was released, like, two months ago, so I thought their chance of a #1 was long past and then, boom! #1 well after the song has gotten stale in the rest of the world. For that, I always feel like the US is really behind the rest of the world's music tastes. They take forever to come round to a song that's been a worldwide hit and they have the same songs that dominate on radio for weeks until they slowly disperse. These new Billboard rules are awful. Radio will keep the most generic crap on repeat play so the country can't get over it. I can only imagine the airplay LMFAO would have gotten had their singles been around after this rule was put in place. I've noticed that also. Unless your song is really popular and well known in the UK, it can debut at #1 and then sell like **** for the rest of its weeks charting. It's unfortunate. The US music taste is very stale, but I think the fact that it takes a long time (in comparison to the UK charts) for a song to go #1 is actually an advantage for the artist. I personally don't like the fact that most single sales in the UK are so front loaded. Hence, why labels release songs to UK Radio months before it actually is put up for digital release. I absolutely hate that. As a consumer, I prefer to buy my music when I want it and not have to wait a month to buy a song that I've already been hearing on the radio for quite a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Pop Radio: #46 = NICKI MINAJ Va Va Voom 5.205 +0.891 It's coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nicki's Era has been SUCH a mess! Let me take the liberty of clarifying it for myself: Starships. Peak: 5. Sales: 3.2 million. Mainstream and Rhythmic radio. Right By My Side. Peak: 51. Sales: 500K(?). Rhythmic and Urban radio. Beez In The Trap. Peak: 48. Sales: 700K. Rhythmic and Urban radio. Pound the Alarm. Peak: 15. Sales: Certified Gold (I'm sure it's near Platinum by now around 860K). Rythmic and Mainstream radio. The Boys. Peak: 114. Sales: 10K(?). Urban and Rythmic radio. Va Va Voom. Peak: 79 (SO FAR). Sales: ?. Sent to Mainstream radio on October 23. Marilyn Monroe: It is set to be released as the seventh single from the album overall on December 17, 2012. SHE'S GONNA HAVE 2 SINGLES ON POP RADIO AT THE SAME TIME?! Giving me flat-out Rihanna teas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I can only imagine the airplay LMFAO would have gotten had their singles been around after this rule was put in place. Actually, Sexy and I Know It outsold Rihanna for weeks but was kept out of #1 by radio backing Rihanna, until Xmas itunes gift cards kicked in. BBC Radio 1 tends to back new singles and drop overplayed hits quicker than in the US. Because UK is smaller, a song can quickly get massive on radio and then decline. In the US, stations and cities and gradually getting adding a hit for months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nicki's Era has been SUCH a mess! Let me take the liberty of clarifying it for myself: Starships. Peak: 3. Sales: 3.2 million. Mainstream and Rhythmic radio. Right By My Side. Peak: 51. Sales: 500K(?). Rhythmic and Urban radio. Beez In The Trap. Peak: 48. Sales: 500K. Rhythmic and Urban radio. Pound the Alarm. Peak: 15. Sales: Certified Gold (I'm sure it's near Platinum by now). Rythmic and Mainstream radio. The Boys. Peak: 114. Sales: 10K(?). Urban and Rythmic radio. Va Va Voom. Peak: 79 (SO FAR). Sales: ?. Sent to Mainstream radio on October 23. Marilyn Monroe: It is set to be released as the seventh single from the album overall on December 17, 2012. SHE'S GONNA HAVE 2 SINGLES ON POP RADIO AT THE SAME TIME?! Giving me flat-out Rihanna teas. Starships peaked at #5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausofmike 127 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Beez In The Trap is over 700k. Prob over Judas. Very close to platinumPTA ~860,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 326 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Pop Radio: #46 = NICKI MINAJ Va Va Voom 5.205 +0.891 It's coming. ALFWENGVREGREGUIAERGUAENRUGAEIRG ****KKK YALLL ARE NOTTTT ****ING READY AT ****ING ALLL ATOGAERHGUAE Mentall breakdown occuring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon 5 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nicki's Era has been SUCH a mess! Let me take the liberty of clarifying it for myself: Starships. Peak: 3. Sales: 3.2 million. Mainstream and Rhythmic radio. Right By My Side. Peak: 51. Sales: 500K(?). Rhythmic and Urban radio. Beez In The Trap. Peak: 48. Sales: 500K. Rhythmic and Urban radio. Pound the Alarm. Peak: 15. Sales: Certified Gold (I'm sure it's near Platinum by now). Rythmic and Mainstream radio. The Boys. Peak: 114. Sales: 10K(?). Urban and Rythmic radio. Va Va Voom. Peak: 79 (SO FAR). Sales: ?. Sent to Mainstream radio on October 23. Marilyn Monroe: It is set to be released as the seventh single from the album overall on December 17, 2012. SHE'S GONNA HAVE 2 SINGLES ON POP RADIO AT THE SAME TIME?! Giving me flat-out Rihanna teas. LAWD have mercy. And I thought the Talk That Talk era was messy lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 326 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nicki's Era has been SUCH a mess! Let me take the liberty of clarifying it for myself: Starships. Peak: 3. Sales: 3.2 million. Mainstream and Rhythmic radio. Right By My Side. Peak: 51. Sales: 500K(?). Rhythmic and Urban radio. Beez In The Trap. Peak: 48. Sales: 500K. Rhythmic and Urban radio. Pound the Alarm. Peak: 15. Sales: Certified Gold (I'm sure it's near Platinum by now). Rythmic and Mainstream radio. The Boys. Peak: 114. Sales: 10K(?). Urban and Rythmic radio. Va Va Voom. Peak: 79 (SO FAR). Sales: ?. Sent to Mainstream radio on October 23. Marilyn Monroe: It is set to be released as the seventh single from the album overall on December 17, 2012. SHE'S GONNA HAVE 2 SINGLES ON POP RADIO AT THE SAME TIME?! Giving me flat-out Rihanna teas. Red is Urban singles Pink is Pop/WW singles. She planed it out from the start seeing as half is pop and the other is rap. Think darling. Forgot to tell you that a new rap song (most likely to go to urban radio) is gonna be preformed at the AMA's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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