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23 hours ago, Earthling said:

Your perspective on veganism is so warped that's why I told you to go and hang out with actual vegans. I wasn't referring to a hierarchy just the fact there's a difference between some of the ways vegans are portrayed online (or at least the idea you have) versus what we're actually like in real life. Also a "vegan meal delivery service"?? It's not that hard to cook vegan meals, it's the same as any normal cooking just omitting meat, dairy and eggs. You make it sound like rocket science when all you're doing is using different ingredients. 

Also why do I have to stand by ALL forms of vegan teaching as a vegan?? I stand by the approach I believe works the best for most people. People can be raw fruitarian if they want, there's nothing wrong with that but I'm not going to say that's a diet everyone should strive to follow because it can be challenging to sustain and get enough calories on. Also I'm not going to promote a highly-processed, high protein/high fat vegan diet either because I don't think it's optimal.

I literally said veganism can teach anorexics to not be fearful of food. Rice, potatoes, pasta aren't the lowest calorie foods. HCLF veganism teaches the opposite of being fearful of eating too much and weight gain. There's no such thing as calorie counting on a primarily whole-food vegan diet except to GET ENOUGH calories. Can't you see how veganism can turn a negative relationship with food into a positive one??

There is no delicate balancing act. Sure yes you plan and make sure you're roughly hitting nutrient targets but then you get into a rhythm. There's a learning curve to anything new. Stop making veganism seem so impossible. YES having a lot of time and money makes it easier, but eating a healthy, varied diet always requires that whether you're vegan or not. If you're poor you have fewer options, that's life, but don't act like that's exclusive to veganism.

I know my version is very doom and gloom but I'm just being realistic about what the vegan experience is like for many and why they quit sooner or later. And I referred to a delivery service as there's food delivery for every kind of diet now and vegan ones are aimed at vegans who live in regions that aren't very vegan friendly or remote (it's definitely not easy to get vegan milk, cheese, meat, desserts, etc. in rural areas or anywhere that isn't health-conscious LA.

But if veganism is so great, why are so many ways of doing it unhealthy and/or wrong? I don't think I've ever seen a diet that has so many problematic forms.

I wasn't talking about general veganism appealing to anorexics, but raw fruit varieties, the kind where you eat nothing but raw fruit and veg all day and have "unlimited calories" because there's just empty calories in these foods. So many people with unhealthy relationships with food are attracted to this diet.

You can eat very well even if you're poor as long as you don't restrict yourself. When you can eat absolutely anything, that means you can whip up anything at any price. Vegan replacement foods are always expensive.