Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 "What are they left with? When you got a guy who is surging, who's trusted, well liked, viewed as electable, with the most popular policy positions? Well, if you can't go after him directly, then all that's left is to go after the people who support him. Honestly, this sort of attack is the lowest of the low. It is meant to tar millions of working class people and young people who have passionately dedicated their time and sent in $10 or $20 as toxic and beyond the pale" "The good news is, when you have to resort to attacking the voters themselves, you're losing. Just ask the HRC team about how well her deplorables comment worked out. Or you could ask Kamala how well it played for her when she insinuated that Democratic primary voters were too racist and sexist to back her." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 80,162 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I watched this, this morning; I love both Krystal and Saagar! Krystal's right though. The "Bernie Bros" thing is largely a talking point set up by Republicans and other Democrats to try and make Bernie's base look like a bunch of angry white male trolls. Bernie has one of the most, if not, the most diverse coalitions in this 2020 race. To just denounce all of his supporters as "angry white male trolls" is plain ignorant. It is also Bernie's biggest strength. In actuality, the fact that Bernie did so well in Iowa and New Hampshire is a greater sign than I believe people give him credit for! When the vast majority of those two populations are white voters (a lot of college educated white voters too), then it only shows that Bernie has reach across all kinds of demographics. 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔱𝔬𝔯𝔢 𝔞𝔴𝔞𝔶 𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔪𝔞𝔰𝔨 𝔞𝔫𝔡...𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,428 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said: "The good news is, when you have to resort to attacking the voters themselves, you're losing. Just ask the HRC team about how well her deplorables comment worked out I still see the deplorables complaining about this. Some wear the word as a badge of honor. I was thinking about this earlier though. All they can do is complain about the rhetoric coming from a portion of his base. They have nothing on him Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hillary Clinton was heavily criticized because she seemingly only said things that polled well in focus groups. She was allegedly too focused on chasing public opinion in order to get elected. Now the same people are criticizing her for having had the balls to say something perhaps unpopular, but true, that supporters of Donald “grab them by the ***” Trump were deplorable. Hillary really is everyone’s punching bag. “Did you know when Hillary breaths she releases carbon dioxide? She clearly doesn’t care about the environment. Neoliberal trash.” Bernie Bros - don’t dox, threaten, and troll people who support politicians other than Sanders, don’t lean into Trump’s childish use of nicknames for candidates you dislike, and everything will be fine. You are doing a disservice to your canidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, SKANK said: don’t lean into Trump’s childish use of nicknames for candidates you dislike, and everything will be fine. You are doing a disservice to your canidate. 6 minutes ago, SKANK said: Bernie Bros Oof the irony Clinton was also criticized for inventing a racist and sexist smear for Bernie’s supporters that is still being used in 2020 to whitewash and misgender them when they are majority women and non white. Don’t lean into Trump’s childish use of nicknames for people you don’t like, you are doing yourself a disservice if you want people to take you seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy 5,686 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I agree! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, Marilyn MonHoe said: Oof the irony Clinton was also criticized for inventing a racist and sexist smear for Bernie’s supporters that is still being used in 2020 to whitewash and misgender them when they are majority women and non white. Don’t lean into Trump’s childish use of nicknames for people you don’t like, you are doing yourself a disservice if you want people to take you seriously. I wasn’t using Bernie Bro as a perjorative. Bernie Bro is a term used both as an insult to his supporters and as a self-identifying term. There are lots of Sander’s supporters who happily identify as a Bernie Bro. In fact, if you look back at my post history you will see people calling me a Bernie Bro on this site when I was supporting Sanders in the last presidential primary. On the other hand, “Rat faced Pete the Cheat” is a nickname fairly hard to reclaim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, SKANK said: Hillary Clinton was heavily criticized because she seemingly only said things that polled well in focus groups. She was allegedly too focused on chasing public opinion in order to get elected. Now the same people are criticizing her for having had the balls to say something perhaps unpopular, but true, that supporters of Donald “grab them by the ***” Trump were deplorable. Hillary really is everyone’s punching bag. “Did you know when Hillary breaths she releases carbon dioxide? She clearly doesn’t care about the environment. Neoliberal trash.” Bernie Bros - don’t dox, threaten, and troll people who support politicians other than Sanders, don’t lean into Trump’s childish use of nicknames for candidates you dislike, and everything will be fine. You are doing a disservice to your canidate. The same people? Do you have evidence of this woman making such criticisms before about Hillary as in your accusation? Cause unless you do, it looks to me like you're taking a fair point made by one individual about something entirely separate in order to fit some other grand narrative you have, meanwhile disingenuously grouping her into some narrow group you've conveniently created and failed to show evidence of. Also, I find it interesting that in a 9+ minute video demonstrating why attacking millions of voters and casting all of them as toxic is ineffective and desperate, you zero in on the two-second line made about Hillary. Do I sense some bitterness here? Might I add that, while I despise Trump and what he stands for, to make a blanket statement that every single one of the 60 million+ voters of his are deplorable, who aren't worth trying to win over and can just be cast to the side, is quite short-sighted and is certainly not a winning strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Gagaloo92 said: The same people? Do you have evidence of this woman making such claims about Hillary as in your accusation? Cause unless you do, it looks to me like you're taking a fair point made by one individual in order to fit some other grand narrative you have, meanwhile disingenuously grouping her into some narrow group you've conveniently created and failed to show evidence of. Also, I find it interesting that in a 9+ minute video demonstrating why attacking millions of voters and casting all of them as toxic is ineffective and desperate, you zero in on the two-second line made about Hillary. I sense some bitterness here. Might I add that, while I despise Trump and what he stands for, to make a blanket statement that every single one of the 60 million+ voters of his are deplorable, who aren't worth trying to win over and can just be cast to the side, is quite short-sighted and is certainly not a winning strategy. “I think she is safe, careful, constantly evaluating her positions, drawn to the center, wherever that happens to be at the time.” Krystal Ball on Hillary Clinton. Krystal Ball (the woman in the video) had a show on MSNBC called The Cycle, which I watched regularly. I distinctly recall her acusing Hillary of taking stances based on public polling and speaking in an overly calculated way. I remember that because I felt the same way about Clinton. So yes, it’s litterally the same person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, SKANK said: I wasn’t using Bernie Bro as a perjorative. Bernie Bro is a term used both as an insult to his supporters and as a self-identifying term. There are lots of Sander’s supporters who happily identify as a Bernie Bro. In fact, if you look back at my post history you will see people calling me a Bernie Bro on this site when I was supporting Sanders in the last presidential primary. On the other hand, “Rat faced Pete the Cheat” is a nickname fairly hard to reclaim. Bernie Bro was an insult born from the Clinton campaign on 2016 to demean and insult his supporters. There a lots of people on this website, including myself who is black, that take offense to it. Literally no one on GGD happily calls themselves Bernie Bros. While some Bernie supporters are using dumb insults online, there are other people on Twitter that are literally wishing death on Bernie and using voodoo dolls made after his image. Will you have the same outrage against them? Or is it only one sided? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: Bernie Bro was an insult born from the Clinton campaign on 2016 to demean and insult his supporters. There a lots of people on this website, including myself who is black, that take offense to it. Literally no one on GGD happily calls themselves Bernie Bros. While some Bernie supporters are using dumb insults online, there are other people on Twitter that are literally wishing death on Bernie and using voodoo dolls made after his image. Will you have the same outrage against them? Or is it only one sided? I’m aware of the negative origins of the term Bernie Bro, but you seem unaware of how ubiquitous it is as a self-identifying term among Sanders supporters. I was one in the last primary, and certainly wouldn’t be offended if I was called a Bernie Bro now. Search “proud Bernie Bro” on Twitter if you need evidence. People put it in their bios. This is a thread about Sanders supporters, so that is what I addressed. But of course, uncivil behavior from anyone is shitty. As for the voodoo dolls, I have nothing to say. If you take that seriously, god bless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 You’re aware of the negative origins of the term yet you have no criticisms of Clinton? How can you claim to be against Trumpian insults and not condemn Clinton for what she did? Your hypocrisy is showing. You were a Bernie supporter during the last primary but it’s very apparent that you are not one anymore. Your use of the term Bernie Bro is obviously an insult. Especially now that I’m telling you that no Bernie supporter here would call themselves that, unless they were trying to hit back at the moderates on GGD who love to use that term to troll us. If you take the term Rat Faced Pete seriously and not voodoo dolls of pins in Bernie’s face... God bless. It’s obvious that you will bend over backwards and excuse Clinton from having any blame for her Trumpian insults yet you are quick to hold others accountable. So this conversation is a waste of time. Have a goodnight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,010 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, SKANK said: I’m aware of the negative origins of the term Bernie Bro, but you seem unaware of how ubiquitous it is as a self-identifying term among Sanders supporters. I was one in the last primary, and certainly wouldn’t be offended if I was called a Bernie Bro now. Search “proud Bernie Bro” on Twitter if you need evidence. People put it in their bios. This is a thread about Sanders supporters, so that is what I addressed. But of course, uncivil behavior from anyone is shitty. As for the voodoo dolls, I have nothing to say. If you take that seriously, god bless. Just going to add my one cent (not two heehe), someone found out I supported Bernie over Pete and went OFF with a final text saying that "Bernie should just up and die and do the republic a service." So...them voodoo people probably exist because people be crazy as hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: You’re aware of the negative origins of the term yet you have no criticisms of Clinton? How can you claim to be against Trumpian insults and not condemn Clinton for what she did? Your hypocrisy is showing. You were a Bernie supporter during the last primary but it’s very apparent that you are not one anymore. Your use of the term Bernie Bro is obviously an insult. Especially now that I’m telling you that no Bernie supporter here would call themselves that, unless they were trying to hit back at the moderates on GGD who love to use that term to troll us. If you take the term Rat Faced Pete seriously and not voodoo dolls of pins in Bernie’s face... God bless. It’s obvious that you will bend over backwards and excuse Clinton from having any blame for her Trumpian insults yet you are quick to hold others accountable. So this conversation is a waste of time. Have a goodnight. I’m not sure why you are under the impression I have no critisms for Clinton. I voted for Sanders over Clinton in the last primary. I was a Bernie Bro, and will happily vote for him in the general election if he wins the primary. This is a thread about Bernie’s supporters. Make a thread about the toxicity of other candidate’s supporters and I will condem their incivilty. I’m sorry if you find respectful conversations with people who don’t share your views a waste of time. I’m always egar to have my point of view challenged. Feel free to continue quoting me anytime. 2 minutes ago, Ziggy said: Just going to add my one cent (not two heehe), someone found out I supported Bernie over Pete and went OFF with a final text saying that "Bernie should just up and die and do the republic a service." So...them voodoo people probably exist because people be crazy as hell Yeah, that is a horrible thing to say. Voodoo dolls though? That is just sillyness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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