Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Leaked audio reveals that Donald Trump has a very sane fear of Bernie Sanders as a political opponent. Trump tells in a fundraiser that he's glad Bernie wasn't Hillary's VP pick because he would have been much tougher. Trump literally says at one point: "Bernie would have been tougher. I'm worse than he is [on trade]. . .He was the only one I didn't want her to pick." At 2:17, they also explain that Trump actually received just 12% of Bernie primary voters from 2016 (not 20%), and that data shows most of these 12% were older conservative voters who had come over to vote Bernie and would never have voted for Hillary under any circumstance anyway. That fact only provides further evidence that Bernie is the best positioned to bring over independents and moderate Republicans as the data show it to be. Unlike certain centrists who have no data to support their claims and really just hate Bernie would have you believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 TBH I think Donald was destined to win in 2016 regardless of the Dem candidate, as is also the case this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highofedibles 83 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 sadly trump is gonna win 2020 too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 78,930 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Wow I don’t even remember her pick for VP, did she even have one? I’m glad he’s nervous and I hope Bernie can pull through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, bionic said: TBH I think Donald was destined to win in 2016 regardless of the Dem candidate, as is also the case this year Not sure if you even read or listened to the data of which voters who went for Trump, but had Bernie been the candidate he would have likely kept those voters that went for Trump because they would never have voted Hillary, and he would have brought more independents over. Independents went for Trump in 2016, but Bernie actually does much better with Independents compared to Trump and all the other Dem candidates. Especially in the swing and battleground states that matter the most, independents are crucial for determining the President. So, your "feeling" is simply that and is not really borne out in the data. As 2016 proved, you don't run a weak, moderate establishment candidate against a populist like Trump. You run another populist who can actually compete with the kinds of voters who will ultimately determine an election. 15 minutes ago, highofedibles said: sadly trump is gonna win 2020 too... Well, an attitude like that sure isn't going to help anything! Dems win when they get people out to the polls. If you think that and don't care to go out and vote, then of course he's going to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald 13,841 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, weed said: Wow I don’t even remember her pick for VP, did she even have one? I’m glad he’s nervous and I hope Bernie can pull through I had to think long and hard trying to remember, and he was my state's former governor, Tim Kaine Edit: sorry, senator not governor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmonzter 2,864 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I'd like to see a Bernie vs Trump The debates will be fierce Another thing I found Trump motorboating Rudy Giuliani. And the kicker.It's real And rudy is in drag Sing C'est la vie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 It's almost like we aren't talking out of our asses when we say things like "Trump is a fake populist, and Bernie is the only one who can point that out effectively" The way this "bernie is so radical he'll never do well in the midwest or the south" narrative has corrupted people's brains into forgetting that Bernie is overwhelmingly the most popular candidate with independents and non voters too Amy Klobuchar said she's got the independents last night but it just aint true, and I wish Bernie would speak up about himself more. He also received votes from more young people of color than Hillary and Trump COMBINED in 2016. And then, unsurprisingly, there was lower voter turn out amongst black people in the general. Almost like some black people didn't love Hillary "superpredator" Clinton and felt she didnt earn their vote, or they thought she'd win anyway. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said: and I wish Bernie would speak up about himself more I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think his support would go up even more if he boasted about some of his accomplishments and record. For example, if Bernie brought up his civil rights record more often than his support among AA voters would increase exponentially. I’ll quote myself from a prior thread: On 2/1/2020 at 6:00 PM, Marilyn MonHoe said: Imagine having to lie like that in order to appeal to black voters Meanwhile Bernie has actually lead sit ins, chained himself to black protesters to prevent the installation of Willis Wagons (poorly constructed trailers made for black people to learn in since they were barred from using white classrooms) and was even arrested for protesting segregation: Bernie almost never talks about his civil rights activism. But when he does he can bring up news articles and old photos taken of these events, no lies or fabrications are needed. I myself as a black person find these photos to be awe inspiring and powerful. Now granted I don’t know how he would be able to share these photos without coming off as a narcissist, but I really wish they could find a way to propagate these images and his history of civil rights activism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think his support would go up even more if he boasted about some of his accomplishments and record. For example, if Bernie brought up his civil rights record more often than his support among AA voters would increase exponentially. I’ll quote myself from a prior thread: I myself as a black person find these photos to be awe inspiring and powerful. Now granted I don’t know how he would be able to share these photos without coming off as a narcissist, but I really wish they could find a way to propagate these images and his history of civil rights activism. I think hes just a humble person, nothing about him reeks of doing things for acclaim. Learning that he often leaves his name off of bills didnt surprise me either. Idk how he could bring those things up either. There are certain parts of his appeal that IMO come better from surrogates, canvassers, his staff, and supporters than from his own mouth. But there could be a better balance of self advocacy for sure. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUtterfield 8 41,818 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Joe Biden is unfortunately going to be the final pick no matter what and it’s so sad p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, Blue Lagoon said: Joe Biden is unfortunately going to be the final pick no matter what and it’s so sad p Just like he was gonna do well in Iowa and NH right! This is so tired. He came in 4th place in Iowa. It was embarrassing for him lmao He's over at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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