Sanders surges in California

[FATCAT 60,898]

12 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Of course he's paying Facebook millions of dollars in advertising. For someone who hates Facebook he gives them alot of ad money. Every time I scroll there is literally like three sponsored by Bernie ads. Such a hypocrite. 

Just because you hate the platform doesn't mean that you can't use it. At the end of the day any candidate has to use fb & other social media sites to get out the campaign message. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Just now, ItsTommyBitch said:

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This is how we know you are a bad-faith actor  

Just pointing out the obvious. You don't get the Bernie ads in your feed?

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

The real tea is that Sanders campaign started latino outreach around 6 months ago and its paying off in dividends, they've got people going neighborhood to neighborhood, speaking people's native languages, asking them questions, and slowly working them over to Bernie  

If Bernie does this well in California (things could still change, but i dont see him dropping necessarily), it will be majorly in part because of his amazing latino support!

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

2 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Just because you hate the platform doesn't mean that you can't use it. At the end of the day any candidate has to use fb & other social media sites to get out the campaign message. 

Does that apply to super pacs too? It's a corporate money political platform too.

I can't even take you guys seriously anymore. Everything is "OK" as long as it's Bernie being the hypocrite.  

[Morphine Prince 109,729]

Here we go again 

 

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

3 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Just pointing out the obvious. You don't get the Bernie ads in your feed?

My comment was more about you trying to find reasons to be negative about Bernie/his supporters no matter how innocuous the thread, concept, etc  

And Idk how many times I have to keep posting this meme  

^ about facebook

Also, funnily enough while Bernie is pro breaking up too powerful tech companies and big banks,  its actually Warren who has made it an integral part of her campaign platform and messaging to date. The other day she said she would seek to make purposefully spreading misinformation (like what mark zuckerberg is allowing) illegal. There was more to it and I might have stated that wrong based on the headline, but yeah... Warren is the I hate Facebook candidate more so than Bernie  

[FATCAT 60,898]

4 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Does that apply to super pacs too? It's a corporate money political platform too.

I can't even take you guys seriously anymore. Everything is "OK" as long as it's Bernie being the hypocrite.  

I don't like the idea of Super Pacs in a primary setting, but I don't think anyone is denying the absolute necessity of them in the general? I mean, I completely want to overturn citizens united, but I don't think we should shoot ourselves in the foot to reach that goal. We have to play the game as is.

[Economy 52,935]

32 minutes ago, dit said:

The world's only hope  I hope he wins plz God make it happen

 

Ppl are setting expectations way too high. Y'all gonna be disapointed

 

Even if he wins presidency he still has to navigate government that likely will prevent at least some of his agendas for force him to compromise

 

Secondly, every policy has it's cons (even tho ppl tend to focus ONLY on the positives or negatives of ideas depending whether they are pro or against)... 

 

Even if he passes most of his legislation it's doubtful society is gonna be this middle class paradise ppl are dreaming about in their heads

 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Just now, ItsTommyBitch said:

My comment was more about you trying to find reasons to be negative about Bernie/his supporters no matter how innocuous the thread, concept, etc  

 

This is definitely the pot calling the kettle black. 

Imagine a Bernie supporter thinking they are above being negative about a political opponent in any thread what so ever.

Go ahead use the meme all you want. It's a clear sign of intelligence to speak with memes.

 

[dit 46,738]

3 minutes ago, Economy said:

Ppl are setting expectations way too high. Y'all gonna be disapointed

 

Even if he wins presidency he still has to navigate government that likely will prevent at least some of his agendas for force him to compromise

 

Secondly, every policy has it's cons (even tho ppl tend to focus ONLY on the positives or negatives of ideas depending whether they are pro or against)... 

 

Even if he passes most of his legislation it's doubtful society is gonna be this middle class paradise ppl are dreaming about in their heads

 

yeah i know he will be blocked on so many of his great ideas but imo if he is somehow able to pass even 10% of his plans I think I will be happy. Just having him in office could set a nice new tone in American politics in general.

[PoshLife 17,019]

Biden has actually gone the furthest in terms of holding social media platforms accountable: he's the only candidate who supports repealing Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which shields Internet companies like facebook from recourse over unlawful posts made by their users (for example, fake news being spread about the candidates). https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-criticizes-mark-zuckerberg-facebook-political-ads-2020-1

He obviously has a personal stake in that, given all of the Fake News that gets posted about him and his son (that same article mentions the history there).

I'd love for the other candidates, who I know are serious about taking on Big Tech (especially Warren), to adopt that platform as well. It's completely outrageous that Facebook, which like Twitter has become so deeply ingrained in how Americans consume the news, won't fact-check political ads.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

9 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

I don't like the idea of Super Pacs in a primary setting, but I don't think anyone is denying the absolute necessity of them in the general? I mean, I completely want to overturn citizens united, but I don't think we should shoot ourselves in the foot to reach that goal. We have to play the game as is.

I'll let you look up the @Morphine Prince"pocket change"  thread so you can see how completely ridiculous most if these Bernie supporters have been in the past. Because they absolutely denied the necessity of super pacs in the general. 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

I don't like the idea of Super Pacs in a primary setting, but I don't think anyone is denying the absolute necessity of them in the general? I mean, I completely want to overturn citizens united, but I don't think we should shoot ourselves in the foot to reach that goal. We have to play the game as is.

Strongly disagree. By taking the money in the general, you have become compromised. It's just delusional to think that corporate interests are going to fund politicians out of the goodness of their hearts. Yes, citizens united is a problem but is not the cause of the issue. It's actually another case, Buckley vs. Valeo, which argued that independent contributions from corporations did not result in corruption. Public policy over the last 40 or so years since that court case has proven that to be incorrect. Bernie has specifically argued for getting this overturned and is the real campaign finance reform we need along with publicly funded elections. 

 Bernie has proven that he can be competitive in spending for a general election and it's also easy to point out that Trump spend less money than Clinton in 2016 and she still lost.  

Note: I understand you're saying that we gotta play the rules of the game but the reality is that if we always play by the rules, we're always going to play the same game. 

Relevant is that Bernie just spent his first ad buy of Super Tuesday States: 2.5M in Texas and California. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/480239-sanders-launches-25-million-television-ad-buy-in-california-texas

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/126/buckley-v-valeo

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13 minutes ago, dit said:

yeah i know he will be blocked on so many of his great ideas but imo if he is somehow able to pass even 10% of his plans I think I will be happy. Just having him in office could set a nice new tone in American politics in general.

I do think he can sway America in a positive direction so I agree with u

 

But I also like to be realistic and I think some ppl are hyping up their expectations WAY too high... 

 

Campaigns are the vision and the dream... When it comes time for the real world and real politics, the general rule is always less is accomplished than ppl hoped for and ppl once again get disapointed

 

It's not just about what he can and cant pass. Left and right wing policies both have positive and negative impacts that to some degree offset eachother

 

The big minimum wage hike here in Ontario is a great example... It did not cause a collapse in employment or investment or recession like the Right Wingers fear mongered...

 

but it did not cause a surge in consumption and purchasing power or a tricklyle up effect in wages leftists were convinced was gonna happen either and some of the negatives the right wing pointed DID occur to offset some of the positives (just not to the degree they thought)

 

In the end neither opposers or supporters were correct... The impact ended up being somewhere in the middle

 

I think Bernie's ideas will bring a lot of good but serious left wing Bernie supporters I think are frankly underestimating some of the downsides too

 

I think on a net basis a lot of his ideas will still be more positive than negative for the average person but probably not the degree of prosperity many are envisioning

 

At least in my opinion

 

Economics is a very fluid thing with many factors, variables and forces that largely offset eachother. So the economy is very hard to look at in a black and white way

 

Also @Woolfsmck I think I worded this better this time then our discussion last time

 

[Buddy 5,686]

16 minutes ago, Economy said:

Ppl are setting expectations way too high. Y'all gonna be disapointed

 

Even if he wins presidency he still has to navigate government that likely will prevent at least some of his agendas for force him to compromise

 

Secondly, every policy has it's cons (even tho ppl tend to focus ONLY on the positives or negatives of ideas depending whether they are pro or against)... 

 

Even if he passes most of his legislation it's doubtful society is gonna be this middle class paradise ppl are dreaming about in their heads

 

We know this, though. All we're asking for is a president who will fight for us -- someone who isn't willing to sell us out because that's what the establishment banks on and they almost always get their way. Americans are sick of that.