ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I mean, good for Tulsi. It won't go anywhere, but to act like Hillary didn't do "anything" just because she didn't say her name (or that she clarified the details) would be totally naive, and also kind of underestimating Hillary Clinton's intelligence Then again, I don't know the exact legal basis for the suit or if it's actually valid as opposed to something that is just being done as a statement (a statement I would respect I might add) 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, derpmonster said: Bernie is currently running for president and he's a Senator who votes on key bills. Hillary is not. She's not running for any public office, she's not doing anything in politics, all she's doing is tweeting from her couch, so no, those things aren't equivalent. You mean to tell me we shouldn't care about the opinion of a person who was the former first lady, former senator, secretary of state, first female major party nominee and winner of the popular vote from the 2016 elections? And probably one of the most influential women in politics to date. Just cauz she's not currently serving? I would think we would want to get her opinions even more, you know, given that she has a wealth of experience and impact. Just cauz she isn't serving she's degraded to "someone sitting on a couch with an opinion" Chile I- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, KleinGa said: You mean to tell me we shouldn't care about the opinion of a person who was the former first lady, former senator, secretary of state, first female major party nominee and winner of the popular vote from the 2016 elections? And probably one of the most influential women in politics to date. Just cauz she's not currently serving? Yes, and someone who enabled and supported endless wars that y'all seem too happy to forget about and someone who has always tried her hardest to stifle true progressive policies including single payer healthcare or entirely free college. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said: I mean, good for Tulsi. It won't go anywhere, but to act like Hillary didn't do "anything" just because she didn't say her name (or that she clarified the details) would be totally naive, and also kind of underestimating Hillary Clinton's intelligence Then again, I don't know the exact legal basis for the suit or if it's actually valid as opposed to something that is just being done as a statement (a statement I would respect I might add) It’s all about what you can prove in a court of law, and she cannot prove that Hillary was referring to her… Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Yes, and someone who enabled and supported endless wars that y'all seem too happy to forget about and someone who has always tried her hardest to stifle true progressive policies including single payer healthcare or entirely free college. Chile Bernie voted for those same wars Or you forgot about that? Let me say this to you my dear child: just because someone isn't progressive enough for you, doesn't mean you're allowed to shut them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, KleinGa said: Chile Bernie voted for those same wars Or you forgot about that? Bernie led the opposition to the Iraq war, let's not get carried away. Or are we making up "facts" now? Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnlikelyStan 306 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Not gonna lie, good for Tulsi. For Hillary Clinton to paint a female veteran of color out to be a Russian asset is honestly disgusting given the ways that Hillary considers herself to be a champion for women. Like Tulsi or not, you can't de-legitimize her obvious love for the United States. It was highly unnecessary for Hillary to say anything about her in the first place. For all the time she has spent talking about Trump's unlawful connections to Russia, you'd think she would understand that alluding to this ridiculous notion about Tulsi does nothing except for continuing to destroy her own credibility. Young, wild, American... Lookin' to be something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaney 5,515 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I'd like to hear some of ya'll explain what her 'shenanigans' are. Ya'll do know she used to be the vice chair of the DNC Anyways, I love Tulsi. I'm glad she's standing up against Hillary. She's one of the worst people to exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, UnlikelyStan said: Not gonna lie, good for Tulsi. For Hillary Clinton to paint a female veteran of color out to be a Russian asset is honestly disgusting given the ways that Hillary considers herself to be a champion for women. Like Tulsi or not, you can't de-legitimize her obvious love for the United States. It was highly unnecessary for Hillary to say anything about her in the first place. For all the time she has spent talking about Trump's unlawful connections to Russia, you'd think she would understand that alluding to this ridiculous notion about Tulsi does nothing except for continuing to destroy her own credibility. Thank you. Her weaponization of white feminism is incredibly awful. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: It’s all about what you can prove in a court of law, and she cannot prove that Hillary was referring to her… ... Sliming your way out of being potentially legally liable for something that you still did intentionally is something to be proud of I guess Like, what do you get out of defending Hillary defaming Tulsi's character? You don't like Tulsi? That's fine. Doesn't make it okay to accuse, assert or even imply that your political rivals are russian assets when you have the power and platform of someone like Hillary Clinton. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Bernie led the opposition to the Iraq war, let's not get carried away. Or are we making up "facts" now? Have a read: “More problematic for the Senator in Birkenstock’s is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: ‘It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.’ “Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: ‘Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.’ These measures gave congressional backing for the CIA’s covert plan to overthrow the Hussein regime in Baghdad, as well as the tightening of an economic sanctions regime that may have killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi children. The resolution also gave the green light to Operation Desert Fox, a four-day long bombing campaign striking 100 targets throughout Iraq. The operation featured more than 300 bombing sorties and 350 ground-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles, several targeting Saddam Hussein himself” [pp. 37-38]. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 OP really out here defending Tulsi and hating on Hillary when Tulsi is highly problematic we- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaney 5,515 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, KleinGa said: Chile Bernie voted for those same wars Or you forgot about that? Let me say this to you my dear child: just because someone isn't progressive enough for you, doesn't mean you're allowed to shut them down. Bernie's never voted for a single war. He's one of the OG progressives along with Mike Gravel in the U.S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Bernie led the opposition to the Iraq war, let's not get carried away. Or are we making up "facts" now? Careful sis, Bernie voted for the Afghanistan war and helped pay to continue to fund the troops so they would live, therefore it means he didn't have the moral clarity and judgment to oppose the Iraq war! (That is the terrible logic that will come out in the response) 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, KleinGa said: OP really out here defending Tulsi and hating on Hillary when Tulsi is highly problematic we- If someone does something bad, do you think that they deserve bad things to happen to them in return? Honestly asking, because if that's your moral compass I should stop trying to argue any further and save my time 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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