2020 Election Thread Table of Contents

[DavieX 330]

6 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

I'm sorry that you feel that way. It's not that simple as some of them now have children that are now american citizens because they were born here. Would you rather the parents go back to their country and leave their children in the US? 

The only logical solution is to grant a pathway to citizenship for those already here and to implement human immigration reform that prevents situations like the one I just mentioned. By also granting citizenship, you will prevent businesses and corporations from paying them below market rates for their labor as well as adding additional tax revenue on the wages that are now being processed properly. 

Nope they should take them with them and fix their legal status back home.  They can't keep cheating the system and come here drop their "anchor" babies and demand to stay!  That's not how it works.  Get in line like millions of other people and doin it the right way, the legal way.  Don't brake our laws and then demand especial treatment!  TF! 

[TheAlexer 1,343]

3 minutes ago, DavieX said:

Wait Aren't you from Portugal?   Talk about Colonization

Ahhh yes? Portugal's colonization was horrible and the country has made way to few reparations to their former colonies. I never stated otherwise?

Do do realize that you do not need to defend your own country? You can call your own country out on it's bullshit? 

I guess you can't. And that's why patriotism is bullshit. It makes people completely numb to the horrible things that their countries do because they get taught from an early age that their country is "peRFeCt" and "tHe bESt"

[HorusRa2 5,005]

7 minutes ago, DavieX said:

Nope they should take them with them and fix their legal status back home.  They can't keep cheating the system and come here drop their "anchor" babies and demand to stay!  That's not how it works.  Get in line like millions of other people and doin it the right way, the legal way.  Don't brake our laws and then demand especial treatment!  TF! 

And how do you expect to find the people who are here illegally without violating the rights of american citizens? 

I understand the idea that you're saying it's unfair for people to be rewarded for breaking the law but I see no way to find these people and remove them from the country without inadvertently violating the rights of american citizens to do it. I think it would be wrong to support that and I think what I laid out to you is the compromise position. 

[DavieX 330]

8 minutes ago, TheAlexer said:

Ahhh yes? Portugal's colonization was horrible and the country has made way to few reparations to their former colonies. I never stated otherwise?

Do do realize that you do not need to defend your own country? You can call your own country out on it's bullshit? 

I guess you can't. And that's why patriotism is bullshit. It makes people completely numb to the horrible things that their countries do because they get taught from an early age that their country is "peRFeCt" and "tHe bESt"

Of course i can call the bs from my own country but that doesn't take away the fact that it is the best country in the world.  I rather have my kids feel love for their country than hate and resentment for it because if they felt that I would just tell them to Move to another country that made them happy.  I'm honest and i'm not sorry maybe that's why I like Trump LOL  

[DavieX 330]

4 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

And how do you expect to find the people who are here illegally without violating the rights of american citizens? 

I understand the idea that you're saying it's unfair for people to be rewarded for breaking the law but I see no way to find these people and remove them from the country without inadvertently violating the rights of american citizens to do it. I think it would be wrong to support that and I think what I laid out to you is the compromise position. 

What about putting a cap right about now and take it from there. I know that's not what the democrats want becase that would mean less votes for them but that's the only real solution. 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

2 minutes ago, DavieX said:

What about putting a cap right about now and take it from there. I know that's now what the democrats want becase that would mean less votes for them but that's the only real solution. 

What do you mean by putting a cap? 

And again, how is the government going to find these people without violating the rights of american citizens? 

[DavieX 330]

6 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

What do you mean by putting a cap? 

And again, how is the government going to find these people without violating the rights of american citizens? 

By really controlling our borders and by passing a laws like the "anchor baby" law that will deny USA citizenship to kids of illegals. There is 1001 ways to control it. 

[TheAlexer 1,343]

2 minutes ago, DavieX said:

Of course i can call the bs from my on country but that doesn't take away the fact that it is the best country in the world.  I rather have my kids feel love for their country than hate and resentment for it because if they felt that I would just tell them to Move to another country that made them happy.  I'm honest and i'm not sorry maybe that's why I like Trump LOL  

You do realize that the entirety of Scandinavia has better living standards than the US? And universal healthcare? Free education? Higher life expectancy? etc 

 

We have data to find out which country is the best. No need for feelings.

And why should people move when they're unhappy with their country instead of staying and changing it?

[DavieX 330]

Just now, TheAlexer said:

You do realize that the entirety of Scandinavia has better living standards than the US? And universal healthcare? Free education? Higher life expectancy? etc 

 

We have data to find out which country is the best. No need for feelings.

And why should people move when they're unhappy with their country instead of staying and changing it?

"And why should people move when they're unhappy with their country instead of staying and changing it"

Like the refugees huh? LOL

The Scandinavian countries are doing better because they are homogeneous countries and they are incredibly small.

[TheAlexer 1,343]

16 minutes ago, DavieX said:

"And why should people move when they're unhappy with their country instead of staying and changing it"

Like the refugees huh? LOL

The Scandinavian countries are doing better because they are homogeneous countries and they are incredibly small.

"Like the refugees huh? LOL"

They decide to leave their country because they don't like it

You are telling people to leave their country because they don't like it                             

See the difference          

If someone wants to change their country they should be able to. If someone wants to leave their country they should be able to.

 

"because they are homogeneous countries"

1)     24.1% of all people in Sweden have a foreign background

2)    Arguing that an ethnic state "works better" is just plain fascist

 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

27 minutes ago, DavieX said:

By really controlling our borders and by passing a laws like the "anchor baby" law that will deny USA citizenship to kids of illegals. There is 1001 ways to control it. 

Again, how do you expect to find the people who are here illegally without violating the rights of american citizens? 

I've asked you this 3 times and you have no answer. If what you are saying is the right thing to do, then how is that going to happen? 

[DavieX 330]

1 minute ago, TheAlexer said:

"Like the refugees huh? LOL"

They decide to leave their country because they don't like it

You are telling people to leave their country because they don't like it                             

See the difference          

If someone wants to change their country they should be able to. If someone wants to leave their country they should be able to.

 

"because they are homogeneous countries"

1)     24.1% of all people in Sweden have a foreign background

2)    Arguing that an ethnic state "works better" is just plain fascist

 

Let's agree to disagreee.   

You say hateful American, I say evil globalsit  And we are all  happy! 

[DavieX 330]

3 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Again, how do you expect to find the people who are here illegally without violating the rights of american citizens? 

I've asked you this 3 times and you have no answer. If what you are saying is the right thing to do, then how is that going to happen? 

They have the option take the kid with you or leave it here for someone to take care of it.  

[HorusRa2 5,005]

Just now, DavieX said:

They have the option take the kid with you or leave it here for someone to take care of them.  

Again, how is the government going to find and locate these people without violating American Citizens rights? Unless you are saying the government already knows who the illegal people are and where they are located, you continue to not have an answer to the question. 

And if you say you support the government to violate the rights of citizens to find illegal residents, then I would have to tell you that is a very unpopular opinion & that the compromise position would be to offer citizenship to those already here. 

[DavieX 330]

1 minute ago, HorusRa2 said:

Again, how is the government going to find and locate these people without violating American Citizens rights? Unless you are saying the government already knows who the illegal people are and where they are located, you continue to not have an answer to the question. 

And if you say you support the government to violate the rights of citizens to find illegal residents, then I would have to tell you that is a very unpopular opinion & that the compromise position would be to offer citizenship to those already here. 

OK let me tell you what you want to hear:

Let them all in! Open the borders and let them ALL in no matter where they come from or what their intentions are just let the ALL in!   There that's the "solution" you want to hear  Now you can still see them like 2nd class citizens and feel great with about white savior complex meanwhile I will have to move because pedro here is using a gun and shooting at a drug dealer at the corner and Juan is parking his trunk on my front lawn and playing his god awful music till 4 am on a workday.  But hey now you feel better abou yourself, so its all good!