Bradley 59,253 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Didymus said: Your "point" was that I should be more empathic. I'm saying: sure, but why towards a total stranger slash millionaire who has her own support system and will never ever benefit from me showing empathy towards her when I can inject all that loving, kind energy towards the people I do know? Let me attempt at answering this on behalf of @nenhures, I don't get your argument. Millionaires/Strangers do not deserve empathy? Even if Gaga doesn't personally visit this site, why is it okay to not show her that kindness? Besides, there are many other human beings that exist in this forum that can benefit from your empathy, not just Lady Gaga herself. Positivity, like negativity, are infectious, and this has been one thing many members who claim to be entitled to negative opinions has been ignoring, that their opinions are unpleasant, harsh, makes other people feel bad, and they feel that despite these negative consequences, that other people should not react to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, Didymus said: Wow. You're really committing to deflecting holy **** Your "point" was that I should be more empathic. I'm saying: sure, but why towards a total stranger slash millionaire who has her own support system and will never ever benefit from me showing empathy towards her when I can inject all that loving, kind energy towards the people I do know? Still waiting on an answer This is a discussion forum. If opinions are presented respectfully (I don't pretend I always do that, but I can also easily point out over a thousand instances where people who are the ultimate Gaga fans take great pleasure in downright trashing people who don't think their way) I don't get the problem. And since you've managed to completely ignore the content of all of my replies to you, I guess the only problem is that some people just want this forum to be an authoritarian state where only a certain breed of opinions is allowed, just for their own satisfaction. And I ain't gonna let that happen I'm "committing" to deflecting because you're committing to being ignorant and purposefully missing the point of what people are trying to say to, again, fit your narrative. First of all, apparently we can't multitask anymore and if we extend empathy to a stranger we don't have any more time in our hands to do the same to others. Second of all, if you think that showing empathy should only be done when it can benefit you or others benefit from it directly then you clearly don't know what it means in the first place and I don't know how to respond to that. I don't owe you an answer either, so don't act like you're my boss and you're waiting for me to hand you out my quota at the end of the day and when you have shown time and time again a clear superiority complex and total inability to LISTEN and COMPREHEND what people are telling you, why the f*ck would I spend the rest of my night discussing something with you when all that's gonna generate is frustration on my end and satisfaction on yours because you seem to get off of arguments where you come off as the intellectual person who has their head on their shoulders unlike all of us fools who apparently find comfort in someone we don't know and are (what a shocker) capable of being kind towards more than one group of people at the same time? And no one's saying that no criticism is allowed either, just that dismissiveness and legitimately mean-spirited comments are cruel and unnecessary. But also because I'm clearly a savage who thinks with her heart instead of her head and worships people she doesn't know and because you've been getting on my nerves for a long, long time, I'm gonna end this like the idiot I am with a big, fat f*ck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylene 1,988 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 There is always something new popping off with her what a drama queen anyways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmkay 854 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I can still remember when people were after the Oscar performance: "wHy GaGa iS nOt rElaSinG tHe LG6, sHe iS mIsSiNg tHe hYpE" " wE nEeD oLd gAgA bAcK" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatieJudasGaga4 67,907 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Some of these comments..... Sheesh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoyfriend 1,119 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I finished watching an hour ago and I planned to post something similar. I'm so grateful for Gaga and now I understand everything she's doing now, and I admire her even more now. It's easy to complain and beg for more music, but knowing what she goes through makes it so silly and unfair to ask for. I loved and everything made click when she said she has effectively changed her driving force, it's not Fame, it's not music, it's mental health, and make everything a better place. It took her words and seeing her cry to change my train of thoughts. I admire that she admitted yes, she's famous rich, and everything, and that's why she's using her Fame to shine a light in the topic. Watching her get emotional when she mentioned those five years made me teary eyed, I forgot how much I feel for her and admire her and love her. So those moments when she cried at the BTWBall made sense even more with the Princess Die song, she must have been feel so alone and sad. I missed her voice and her message. I love her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seeka 12,372 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, nenhures said: I see where you're coming from but we can't really harbor this mentality. While yes, there's always going to be a handful of bad apples (sometimes it's all of us) I don't think anyone is Too Far Gone.mp3 nor should we settle for "yeah, we're toxic and there's really no changing that". I understand that much of it stems from stan culture in general, unfortunately, but on a micro scale it's not that hard to cultivate a kinder, less hostile environment and if we put it in our heads that "that's how it is and it's too late to change it" that's exactly how things stay the same. Have you seen other fandoms as of late? The Voltron fandom wasn't that old and it began sending death threats en masse to voice actors. To change behavior, we need to change people. And changing people is a challenge. We need to prevent people from purposely making foolish decisions. We need to prevent people from falling for needless hype and insiders, and make people accept that literally all of Gaga's producers troll us because we are trollworthy. We can call out the worst users. We all know who they are. But that's not going to make them change. Most of them have been acting this way for years. They have been called out. They have been treated with kindness. They have watched the same interviews we have. Nothing has worked. And if it has, they have reverted back to their old ways. This is not stan culture. This is fandom culture in general. Voltron, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Puella Madoka Magica, Night Vale, wherever you look, there's awful people. They don't outnumber the good, most of the time, but they leave mighty stains and distaste in everyone's mouths. My friend hates interacting with fandoms herself, and quite frankly, after my experiences, I'm distancing myself as well. It's going to take more than Gaga talking with Oprah to change these people. They need to have something in their lives that will inflict whatever they need to get over their behavior. I'm not saying it's impossible. But this is not going to be the time we're going to be able to do anything. Some people are just the worst they can be and never see it. Because they lack self awareness and feel entitled. A very deadly combination, if I say so myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Seeka said: Have you seen other fandoms as of late? The Voltron fandom wasn't that old and it began sending death threats en masse to voice actors. To change behavior, we need to change people. And changing people is a challenge. We need to prevent people from purposely making foolish decisions. We need to prevent people from falling for needless hype and insiders, and make people accept that literally all of Gaga's producers troll us because we are trollworthy. We can call out the worst users. We all know who they are. But that's not going to make them change. Most of them have been acting this way for years. They have been called out. They have been treated with kindness. They have watched the same interviews we have. Nothing has worked. And if it has, they have reverted back to their old ways. This is not stan culture. This is fandom culture in general. Voltron, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Puella Madoka Magica, Night Vale, wherever you look, there's awful people. They don't outnumber the good, most of the time, but they leave mighty stains and distaste in everyone's mouths. My friend hates interacting with fandoms herself, and quite frankly, after my experiences, I'm distancing myself as well. It's going to take more than Gaga talking with Oprah to change these people. They need to have something in their lives that will inflict whatever they need to get over their behavior. I'm not saying it's impossible. But this is not going to be the time we're going to be able to do anything. Some people are just the worst they can be and never see it. Because they lack self awareness and feel entitled. A very deadly combination, if I say so myself. Yeah, you have a point. I stay as far from fandom culture as I possibly can and Gaga's fanbase is really the only one I'm personally invested in but I was more involved a few years ago and know how awful it can be. It's unfortunate tho, that we all cultivate such toxic environments and feel comfortable with crossing so many lines just because we're on the internet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 804 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 OP: Thank u for this thread. I feel the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, nenhures said: And no one's saying that no criticism is allowed either, just that dismissiveness and legitimately mean-spirited comments are cruel and unnecessary. See, this is the root of our disagreement I actually agree with this sentiment and with your first post in this thread on the first page (which I read just now). The problem is that what you're saying is not what the OP is saying The OP is very unambiguous about it: all negative comments have to stop immediately ("I commit to not criticizing Gaga's voice, facial features, body, dancing, etc.") for the sole reason that she doesn't have an easy life rn. That's not what you agree with, it seems, and it's also not what I agree with. So maybe we agree Anyway, I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, damn. I'm horrified reading your impression of me, it's not how I wanna come across at all. I'll keep it in mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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