I'm sad about Gaga rejecting her past achievements

[Didymus 34,380]

EDIT: Don't take this post too seriously. It was written on a bad, boring day and I don't really agree with the overall dramatically negative sentiment here anymore. This later post:

captures my thoughts a lot better. Sorry if I made a mess

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

[Galvon 1,868]

I totally get you.

But tbh, ever since Joanne happend, I wouldn't have believed her if she went back to full on 2009-2014 Gaga.

[TheQueenEnthusiast 937]

I think reject is too strong of a word. I completely understand what you're saying but we honestly just have to wait for LG6, then we'll know for sure if she's trying to cover it up. But from the looks of the pink hair, the tweets, and Enigma I highly doubt so. Time will tell. 

[Widows Kiss 7,818]

38 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

the tea is scorching 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, NFRockwell said:

Yeah camp Gaga is dead 

shes died

[geusst1235 5,398]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

Honestly, you seem to be stuck in the past eras of her career regarding some aspects. Perhaps move onto something else because it seems like you are not a fan of Gaga anymore?

Anyways, Gaga was always doing side projects while going outside her comfort zone so these new projects aren't shocking. Besides, I see no reason to criticize her over making a simple makeup brand. It's her career, and I don't see how making a smart business decision while spreading a positive message is a bad thing (something she quite literally did with her music, so again not new and is simply a different medium). Gaga is clearly passionate about it whether you believe it or not, nor is she being "lazy". If you think she is, then you have absolutely no inclination regarding what goes into starting a makeup brand from the ground up.

Also I don't to see how she doesn't care about being a musician anymore when she created almost all the material on Joanne and A Star Is Born. Joanne in particular was incredibly personal to her, which was obvious from various interviews/ performances. Just because she isn't making the same type of music as before or a style that isn't to your liking, does NOT mean that it's all of a sudden contrived.

This is not someone who is uninterested in being a musician, at all.

 

 

 

 

The tabloids/magazines ran with those rumors between Gaga and Bradley. Neither of them ever stoked that fire or even hinted at it.

Your point about mental health is also moot considering she's been talking about it since the literal start of her career. Did the Born This Way Foundation vanish out of thin air all of a sudden or something?She's not hopping on a trend since she's been talking about these issues for almost a decade.

If you need proof,

 

[Regina George 59,387]

Y’all saying “people change”  Person who made the thread already said that and said that it is okay but that he/she has problem with her downgrading her artistic choices. God. 

Her saying “I have to laugh” when asked about her career moments says a lot. 

[Didymus 34,380]

13 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

Anyways, Gaga was always doing side projects while going outside her comfort zone so these new projects aren't shocking.

But she never created whole eras out of those side projects I mean, the fans had already seen her perform jazz a million times, but she still revived that and exploded it into a full-blown era because she and her team thought it was a good marketing move And it was, don't get me wrong, but for people who had been following her career that wasn't a reinvention or even a new era. It was just her choosing to not create original music and stall time with something she already proved she was good at, while distracting the critics and the audience from her own flopping solo music. Why should we applaud that?

13 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

I see absolutely no reason to condemn her over making a simple makeup brand. It's her career, and I don't see how making a smart business decision while spreading a positive message is a bad thing

It wouldn't be a bad thing if it was just bs side thing she did while creating other projects, but, again, she has to make this whole dramatic mini-era out of it because she literally has nothing else to sell and how is that not tragic for an artist? This wasn't some fun partnership she did. This was her passion project. How should that not raise a few questions among her fans?

13 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

The tabloids/magazines ran with those rumors between Gaga and Bradley. Neither of them ever stoked that fire or even hinted at it.

Erm, Gaga literally said it was their intention to fool the world, so... no. She deliberately made those rumors happen 'cause she and her team are smart enough to know that means you're in the tabloids for months on end.

13 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

Your point about mental health is also moot considering she's been talking about it since *the literal start of her career*. Did the Born This Way Foundation vanish out of thin air all of a sudden? She's not hopping on a trend since she's been talking about these issues for almost a decade.

But that was exactly my point: she was already doing a lot more than she is now She healed tons of kids through her work, through her side efforts like the Born Brave Bus and the Foundation. But, just like her jazz, she decided to explode something she was already doing into a marketing scheme while adding nothing new And, what's worse, her artistry is not evolving alongside her newfound "I guess I don't care about making music anymore if it's not making the world a better place" style of reasoning. In fact, the only thing she's done since making those kinds of statements is sell a make-up line A make-up line which isn't even linked to charity or nothing. All she does is talk.

I'll withhold my final judgment until LG6 arrives but the only strong impression I'm getting from her these days is that she'll just say and do anything to distract from the fact that she has no artistic direction anymore and that, perhaps, she's just not even that interested anymore in being in the spotlight at all. Except to make money.

[brucee 1,690]

To me she didn't changed that. The performance art has been a strong part of her craft and it will always be there. 

Look at the Oscar promo, the Met Gagala, the pink hair... I mean. She's never gonna be a blue jeans white tee shirt kind of girl and that's enough. She still has that over the top thing, it just evolved and became more of a facet of hers than the basic 'I'm always dressed like this offstage' horse*hit 

 

Edit : she also is like the only artist in history to have like two persons at the same time with her shows in Vegas... If this is not global performance art for you guys, girls and everyone in between, I dunno what you expect really. 

[TheSlash 14,539]

I honestly don't think so. She said that shocking everyone was a way for her to be bold and confident, what she wasn't in private at that time. She wanted to be someone who she wasn't. But now she is confident and she radiates that with everything she does now. And the "weirdness" my be no more ( in such an extent ), but she impresses me in a new, much more mature way  .

I understand that she doesn't want to be that person from years ago and honestly, imo it wouldn't fit her anymore. And tbh, if that's the only way for the GP to recognize the endless talent this woman has, I'm completely fine with it  .

[Regina George 59,387]

10 minutes ago, brucee said:

To me she didn't changed that. The performance art has been a strong part of her craft and it will always be there. 

Look at the Oscar promo, the Met Gagala, the pink hair... I mean. She's never gonna be a blue jeans white tee shirt kind of girl and that's enough. She still has that over the top thing, it just evolved and became more of a facet of hers than the basic 'I'm always dressed like this offstage' horse*hit 

 

Edit : she also is like the only artist in history to have like two persons at the same time with her shows in Vegas... If this is not global performance art for you guys, girls and everyone in between, I dunno what you expect really. 

She literally wore blue jeans and white t-shirt for like whole 3 years during Joanne. She also wore it during her last photoshoot. 

There is nothing innovative or groundbreaking about her Oscar promo and her pink hair.. 

Also I don’t get that whole two persons thing. She is the same person singing two genres of music in Vegas. 

[brucee 1,690]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Look...

 

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

-You mean that now she doesn't ?? Joanne era was soulful during the shows. Coming back to the Bitter End was performance art. Like going full circle and making  that Stefani/Joanne album was a performance move surry (not surry)

-She didn't have the time and she was in a lot of pain... Since she collapsed at MB2.0 during Bad facing Romance the girl is tired. Now she has a house.... God.... The arrogance that has.

-Oh god you mean she tried. Everybody wants to know. Don't you think it could be a bore to fight to hide it ? Paparazzis even photographed her at the burial of her grand mother with LUc Carl so..... Ugh.

-that's what she did with Joanne. That's what she  always does because she always pisses you all off. And she know it. It's just against your grain she goes this time.

 

She has been exhausted. She suffers from trauma... She is a brilliant musician. Not because she doesn't crafts the most avant garde stuff all the time doesn't mean she doesn't make choices. It's just that they are more subtle and less 'look at me'. You have to open up just a little more and look at history of music. 

Not every legend has been consistently pleasing both the fans and the GP, nor delivering artistically on point works all the time. Look at Bowie's carreer.... After Let's Dance, Never let me down and like ... Tin Machine, look what was after that.... Gaga has this kind of phase and We all almost know this is the end. 

To me she is just taking her  time for her come back to pop music. 

We have to deserve that now. That is just what is for me. Call me Delulu, my name is Anton.

@Regina George : the two personas things sorry. What I mean to say is that one night she's an intergalactic pop star, and the other night she is a goofy, theatrical jazz singer... You can pick your favorite Gaga. I think this is revolutionary... I don't remember seing that in music history do you ? 

 

PS : EDIT #3 : I needa stop posting that much

[geusst1235 5,398]

29 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But she never created whole eras out of those side projects I mean, the fans had already seen her perform jazz a million times, but she still revived that and exploded it into a full-blown era because she and her team thought it was a good marketing move And it was, don't get me wrong, but for people who had been following her career that wasn't a reinvention or even a new era. It was just her choosing to not create original music and coast with something she already proved she was good at, while distracting the critics and the audience from her own flopping solo music. Why should we applaud that?

It wouldn't be a bad thing if it was just bs side thing she did on the side, but, again, she has to make this whole dramatic mini-era out of it because she literally has nothing else to sell and how is that not tragic for an artist? This wasn't some fun partnership she did. This was her passion project. How should that not raise a few questions among her fans?

Erm, Gaga literally said it was their intention to fool the world, so... no. She deliberatey made those rumors happen 'cause she and her team are smart enough to know that means you're in the tabloids for months on end.

But that was exactly my point: she was already doing a lot more than she is now She healed tons of kids through her work, through her side efforts like the Born Brave Bus and the Foundation. But, just like her jazz, she decided to explode something she was already doing into a marketing scheme while adding nothing new And, what's worse, her artistry is not evolving alongside her newfound "I guess I don't care about making music anymore if it's not making the world a better place" style of reasoning. In fact, the only thing she's done since making those kinds of statements is sell a make-up line A make-up line which isn't even linked to charity or nothing. All she does is talk.

I'll withhold my final judgment until LG6 arrives but the only strong impression I'm getting from her these days is that she'll just say and do anything to distract from the fact that she has no artistic direction anymore and that, perhaps, she's just not even that interested anymore in being in the spotlight at all. Except to make money.

The whole Jazz period with Tony Bennet was a huge transformation for her at that time. There were (still are) fans who hated that album/style simply because of the changes. The particular Jazz show that accompanies Enigma is very different though as it is entirely hers. Gaga said that she wanted to bring Jazz back and make it popular again, which she is succeeding at since those shows sold out even faster than Enigma. 

Haus Labs isn't really an "era" as it's more than likely going to be an ongoing thing. Either way like  I said before, making a makeup line is incredibly hard and takes quite a bit of time/effort to do. This certainly isn't a simple cash grab for her. Let's not forget that she's been working on LG6 simultaneously as well.

She stated that it was her intention to fool the world during the film and the Oscar performance when they revisited their characters. However, there is a clear distinction between wanting people to believe the chemistry when they're playing fictional characters  and their personal lives which Gaga has said multiple times was not the intention. 

 

I just want to make this clear as well, Enigma is not just a way to make money. Shes spoken repeatedly about how touring takes a big toll on her, and the Vegas Residency allows her to take it easy while still being able to perform. It also gives her the chance to go and do other things like acting, Haus Labs,etc.

[Didymus 34,380]

7 minutes ago, brucee said:

-You mean that now she doesn't ?? Joanne era was soulful during the shows. Coming back to the Bitter End was performance art. Like going full circle and making  that Stefani/Joanne album was a performance move surry (not surry)

But there you have it. It's all about her moves and how they are perceived. Her work used to make the statement on its own. Now she apparently has to book gigs in special places and create an album in a certain genre, no matter what the songs are, to make a statement? That's whack.

9 minutes ago, brucee said:

-She didn't have the time and she was in a lot of pain... Since she collapsed at MB2.0 during Bad facing Romance the girl is tired. Now she has a house.... God.... The arrogance that has.

I don't care that she bought a mansion. But why does she have to move to Malibu and lose all her creative talent? Most fans don't see a connection there, I do.

10 minutes ago, brucee said:

Don't you think it could be a bore to fight to hide it ? Paparazzis even photographed her at the burial of her grand mother with LUc Carl so..... Ugh.

So the solution is to go on Ellen and talk about your boyfriend? Weird. And, remember, she used to say it was super easy to fight off the paps and that celebs who claimed the opposite were liars. And this was at her peak.

11 minutes ago, brucee said:

It's just against your grain she goes this time.

I refuse to believe that her making mediocre music is a "move" on her part lol. Tha's not performance art. That's just delivering a mediocre album. That fans have to spin this into a "reinvention" move or whatever is just sad. The work should speak for itself. And all it gave us was "oh she's trying to be all personal and authentic this time". Trying.

12 minutes ago, brucee said:

Not every legend has been consistently pleasing both the fans and the GP, nor delivering artistically on point works all the time. Look at Bowie's carreer.... After Let's Dance, Never let me down and like ... Tin Machine, look what was after that.... Gaga has this kind of phase and We all almost know this is the end.

So now you suddenly admit her artistry is not on point Then why can't I call that out? I sure hope this is just a down period in her career,  LG6 will once and for all prove that. But if you're admitting yourself that her work is suffering, then I don't see what the fuss about my reply should be about.

[geusst1235 5,398]

24 minutes ago, ReginaGeorge said:

She literally wore blue jeans and white t-shirt for like whole 3 years during Joanne. She also wore it during her last photoshoot. 

There is nothing innovative or groundbreaking about her Oscar promo and her pink hair.. 

Also I don’t get that whole two persons thing. She is the same person singing two genres of music in Vegas. 

Well that outfit fit the tone, and feeling of that album. I don't see what's wrong with having an era that is visually consistent with the music, even if it is simplistic (which was the point). Also still, that is a bit of an exaggeration as she wore various different outfits throughout the entire Joanne album cycle.

I don't see why she has to be innovative all the time though. She clearly still goes there when she wants to anyways (Met Gala,etc).

Also I believe the whole double personality thing can be related to her different moods/personality traits, interests,etc. Marilyn Manson is another huge example of an artist who deals with these same ideas.