A message for all the Enigma haters

[Daylight Jokers 14,958]

1 hour ago, Bradley said:

She doesn't specifically owe GGD anything. She's not obliged to visit every continent, every country, every city just so you can feel happy.

I'm sorry, I love Enigma, but it does make me sad that she's not gonna be touring worldwide for a while. I live in Asia, and the possibility of me traveling to the US just to go see Enigma is nothing but laughable. Overseas fans do have the right to feel sad, just like how Gaga has the right to feel happy. If you're an American monster, consider yourself lucky because you can always attend Enigma if you want to. Asian monsters could only hope for a miracle.

[Madling 1,981]

12 minutes ago, Didymus said:

@Madling

If anyone watches that video and watches her stumble through that "acrobatic" routine after which she loses her earpiece (wel rehearsed show, wow) and is impressed then that just proves my point

The rest of the videos you posted are some choreographies we've seen a million times already and her singing at a piano which you can also see in the Jazz & Piano show Apart from the occasionally great lighting and interesting set design what is supposed to impress me?

This is 2019. We've seen better. From her. Years ago.

I guess it's time for you to move on then

[Mikolaj 11,635]

14 minutes ago, LGs LM said:

I'm sorry, I love Enigma, but it does make me sad that she's not gonna be touring worldwide for a while. I live in Asia, and the possibility of me traveling to the US just to go see Enigma is nothing but laughable. Overseas fans do have the right to feel sad, just like how Gaga has the right to feel happy. If you're an American monster, consider yourself lucky because you can always attend Enigma if you want to. Asian monsters could only hope for a miracle.

Yes this. @Bradley I'm sorry but it looks like you just made this thread to lure all the Enigma haters in here just to have fun dragging them to dirt, seeing how you respond to every post.

I can be the biggest advocate for Gaga's well being and health, and at the same time I suppose I have right to be disappointed, don't I?

Most people that you call Enigma haters understand perfectly that Gaga doesn't owe us anything, you're not enlightening anybody there. I personally will support her choice but I can't help being disappointed about not being able to see my #1 idol who I've been a fan of for 9 years, can I?

So please, don't act like this whole negative sentiment towards Enigma extension is stupid, unreasonable, or especially somehow surprising enough for you to make entire separate thread to comment on it

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, Madling said:

I guess it's time for you to move on then

Nope. Because the Jazz & Piano show is the best thing she's done on stage in years It's not all or nothing as much as you Enigma obsessed like to think.

[Madling 1,981]

Just now, Didymus said:

Nope. Because the Jazz & Piano show is the best thing she's done on stage in years It's not all or nothing as much as you Enigma obsessed like to think.

😂😂 The excuses... 

Well why don't you shut up and enjoy Jazz and Piano then?  I've shown you the undeniable truth that people are loving Enigma... Do you really think you are that special that your opinion outweighs the audience of Park MGM every night? My god.... 

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Madling said:

😂😂 The excuses... 

Well why don't you shut up and enjoy Jazz and Piano then?  I've shown you the undeniable truth that people are loving Enigma... Do you really think you are that special that your opinion outweighs the audience of Park MGM every night? My god.... 

I'm happy people are enjoying Enigma. But you made a thread directed at people who don't like Enigma so how are you now telling me to shut up?  

I don't think my opinion is special at all. I don't think anyone's opinion is special and should outweigh others I don't care that the majority of people who went to see Enigma love it. That doesn't mean it's a good show. Just because people loved Frozen doesn't mean it's not an incredibly flawed film either. What kind of boring world do you live in where all non-standard opinions and thoughts are automatically illegitimate? It's a world where someone like Lady Gaga could never have thrived, ironically

[Chromaticunt 5,529]

52 minutes ago, PartySick said:

It's before Applause, right? Maybe a throwback to the bad press she got during that era? I mean, she started the VMA show with boos before Applause, I guess people saying "go f*ck yourself" is just as effective

OT: why is no one mentioning the face that it looked like she was about to spike the microphone near the end?

Maybe. I just find it weird to start attacking your paying audience and making them feel awkward. I mean, that guy's face in the video says everything.  

[Madling 1,981]

19 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I'm happy people are enjoying Enigma. But you made a thread directed at people who don't like Enigma so how are you now telling me to shut up?  

I don't think my opinion is special at all. I don't think anyone's opinion is special and should outweigh others I don't care that the majority of people who went to see Enigma love it. That doesn't mean it's a good show. Just because people loved Frozen doesn't mean it's not an incredibly flawed film either. What kind of boring world do you live in where all non-standard opinions and thoughts are automatically illegitimate? It's a world where someone like Lady Gaga could never have thrived, ironically

I... Didn't make this thread

 

And you're not happy that people are enjoying Enigma.. You basically called them idiots for liking Gaga's awful performance. Her ear piece fell out?? OMGGGGG thats it.. Call off the show! 

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, Madling said:

I... Didn't make this thread

Sorry, you're playing such an offensive part in this thread I just assumed it was yours

1 minute ago, Madling said:

And you're not happy that people are enjoying Enigma.. You basically called them idiots for liking Gaga's awful performance. Her ear piece fell out?? OMGGGGG thats it.. Call off the show! 

I called them idiots? Where? I've said from day one that I didn't like the show but that I was genuinely happy other people enjoyed it, and that I didn't care because I had Jazz & Piano to enjoy Stop projecting.

The earpiece thing is just specifically funny to me. Other pop stars would never allow a half-working stunt (which Gaga can't even execute properly) to look that sloppy every night, especially when she has to adjust her earpiece 90% of the shows after doing it. It just looks messy. Just one example of people letting things slide because it's Gaga. I don't like that.

[Bradley 59,023]

1 hour ago, LGs LM said:

I'm sorry, I love Enigma, but it does make me sad that she's not gonna be touring worldwide for a while. I live in Asia, and the possibility of me traveling to the US just to go see Enigma is nothing but laughable. Overseas fans do have the right to feel sad, just like how Gaga has the right to feel happy. If you're an American monster, consider yourself lucky because you can always attend Enigma if you want to. Asian monsters could only hope for a miracle.

There is nothing wrong with feeling sad or disappointed, that responds to @Mikolaj's post as well.

57 minutes ago, Mikolaj said:

Most people that you call Enigma haters understand perfectly that Gaga doesn't owe us anything, you're not enlightening anybody there. I personally will support her choice but I can't help being disappointed about not being able to see my #1 idol who I've been a fan of for 9 years, can I?

So please, don't act like this whole negative sentiment towards Enigma extension is stupid, unreasonable, or especially somehow surprising enough for you to make entire separate thread to comment on it

Feeling sad or disappointed while respecting the artist is absolutely fine imo. And doing that doesn't make you a hater. What really is problematic is the mocking, bashing, sarcasm that are not necessary in the expression of your disappointment. Didymus has voiced out his disappointment in Enigma without actually resorting to sarcasm or mocking. Imagine if Gaga started to use sarcasm to respond to whatever she disagrees with, she'd be called out for her hypocrisy in regards her kindness campaign. Does that mean Gaga agrees with everything around her? No. Some people choose to acknowledge that there are interests other than themselves' that are also important, and many complainers seem to only care about their own.

[Doot 2]

2 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

 

Yet shes only performing for people who are able to visit Las Vegas?

Its too early in her career to stay in Vegas for years and expect everyone to come to her!

Nobody is denying her anything, they are just giving their opinion of her not wanting to tour the world which is something every single artist today does. Gaga is the first young artist to do this.

Yet she is selling out every show. 

 

We do not get to dictate her career. If she wants to perform in Vegas, she can. It's two years out of her life, it's not that big of a deal. She will tour again. She will go overseas. 

As a fanbase, it's fine to express opinions even negative on the show and the outfits etc, but to continue to make negative comments over and over makes no sense. 

 

She's not going to stop or break out of a contract simply because a couple of teenagers are frustrated that they can't afford to go. 

She's allowed to do whatever she wants and as fans, we can either support her or remain mum. 

 

But constantly being negative is not only useless, but sours the experience for other people who DO enjoy it. 

[Jakkusan 799]

1 hour ago, Madling said:

So why is she performing for her fans every night then huh??! 

Ok, she’s not performing every night and a lot of her fans that have lived and breathed her can’t afford to go to Vegas to see her.

[Bradley 59,023]

4 minutes ago, Doot said:

Yet she is selling out every show. 

But constantly being negative is not only useless, but sours the experience for other people who DO enjoy it. 

Thank you!

Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you're not able to deliver your negative opinion in a way that doesn't arouse negativity, then maybe it's better not to say it at all. You're affecting the experiences of other people and nobody wants that negative energy around them.

It's like saying in front of someone who prepared your meal 'Good lord this tastes horrible! What? I'm only expressing my opinion, I'm entitled to that, am I not?'

[COOOK 76,406]

I think the negative response that Enigma has on this fan base is because Gaga’s constantly tied to her compromise with Las Vegas, aka unavailable of having a free schedule to promote LG6. Lately her free time’s for Haus Labs, so we see this as LG6 not coming anytime soon.

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4 hours ago, Doot said:

Yet she is selling out every show. 

 

We do not get to dictate her career. If she wants to perform in Vegas, she can. It's two years out of her life, it's not that big of a deal. She will tour again. She will go overseas. 

As a fanbase, it's fine to express opinions even negative on the show and the outfits etc, but to continue to make negative comments over and over makes no sense. 

 

She's not going to stop or break out of a contract simply because a couple of teenagers are frustrated that they can't afford to go. 

She's allowed to do whatever she wants and as fans, we can either support her or remain mum. 

 

But constantly being negative is not only useless, but sours the experience for other people who DO enjoy it. 

I did not say shes not selling out her shows, I said shes doing shows for people who live in a very specific geographical location.

I also did not make negative comments over and over again, this is the first time giving my opinion on this. People are commenting because she announced extending the show, this is not random negative comments over and over again.

My job as a fan is not to support her with whatever she does, my job is to support her work that I enjoy. I dont have to support every decision she makes.