Dem insiders: Bernie could win nomination

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For months, the Vermont senator was written off by Democratic Party insiders as a candidate with a committed but narrow base who was too far left to win the primary. Elizabeth Warren had skyrocketed in the polls and seemed to be leaving him behind in the race to be progressive voters’ standard-bearer in 2020.

But in the past few weeks, something has changed. In private conversations and on social media, Democratic officials, political operatives and pundits are reconsidering Sanders’ chances.

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Democratic insiders said they are rethinking Sanders’ bid for a few reasons: First, Warren has recently fallen in national and early state surveys. Second, Sanders has withstood the ups and downs of the primary, including a heart attack. At the same time, other candidates with once-high expectations, such as Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Beto O’Rourke, have dropped out or languished in single digits in the polls.

“I believe people should take him very seriously. He has a very good shot of winning Iowa, a very good shot of winning New Hampshire, and other than Joe Biden, the best shot of winning Nevada,” said Dan Pfeiffer, who served as an adviser to former President Barack Obama. “He could build a real head of steam heading into South Carolina and Super Tuesday.”

The durability of Sanders’ candidacy has come as a surprise even in some states where he performed strongly in 2016 and where he is attempting to improve his standing ahead of the 2020 election. 
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Sanders is in second place in national polls, nearly 9 percentage points behind Biden, according to the most recent RealClearPolitics average. He is second in Iowa and first in New Hampshire. The latest CNN poll found he has the highest net favorability rating of any Democratic presidential candidate.

While Sanders’ supporters complain relentlessly that he has received less attention from the media than other candidates, he has also avoided sustained criticism that some of his rivals have suffered. That could be helping him, especially compared with Warren, who has recently come under fire from the left and center for her health care plan. 

“If you really think about it, Bernie hasn’t been hit a lot with anything. It’s not like he’s getting hit by other campaigns,” said Michael Ceraso, a former New Hampshire director for Pete Buttigieg’s campaign who worked for Sanders in 2016. 

“You sort of take for granted that he, like Biden, are institutional figures for very different reasons,” Ceraso said. “Early in the campaign, Bernie’s people said, ‘Look, this guy in these early states has a nice hold, and there’s a percentage of supporters, a quarter of the electorate will potentially go for him.'” He added, “It waned a little bit because people were looking at other options … and now they’re saying, ‘Wait a minute, this guy has been the most consistent of anyone.'”

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Many moderate Democrats still dismiss Sanders’ candidacy. They believe his so-called ceiling remains intact and that Warren will depress any room for growth he might otherwise have.

“He can’t win the nomination,” said Matt Bennett, co-founder of the center-left group Third Way, adding that Sanders’ uptick is simply him “bouncing around between his ceiling and his floor a little bit more than people had thought he would.”

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A series of TV segments around last week’s Democratic debate illustrate the shift in how Sanders is being perceived. “We never talk about Bernie Sanders. He is actually doing pretty well in this polling,” former senior Obama adviser David Axelrod said on CNN after the event. “He’s actually picked up. And the fact is Bernie Sanders is as consistent as consistent can be.”

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Ha 1989 era has arrived.  

[Mer Girl 134]

As it should be.  If Biden or Buttigeg gets the nomination we will lose again.  Bernie is the only candidate whose percentage has remained steady and increasing at the same time.

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[Economy 52,861]

2 minutes ago, Loeppke said:

I would love that, but I'm not sure how that would end. The Republicans really don't like him because he's very far left, and I'm not sure that will translate well in the election. 

Yeah... He has good favorability among supporters but many centrists could end up voting Republican if he's the nominee

 

But we will see. It's my understanding that many acknowledge his authenticity and like that about him so who knows

 

This is gonna be an interesting election

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Just now, Economy said:

Yeah... He has good favorability among supporters but many centrists could end up voting Republican if he's the nominee

But we will see. It's my understanding that many acknowledge his authenticity and like that about him so who knows

This is gonna be an interesting election

He's definitely the most authentic candidate I've ever seen, but you made the point of centrists leaning in the opposite direction if he is the nominee and I agree with that.

[Economy 52,861]

2 minutes ago, Loeppke said:

He's definitely the most authentic candidate I've ever seen, but you made the point of centrists leaning in the opposite direction if he is the nominee and I agree with that.

I guess it will be a question of how many are drawn to his authenticity vs how many are turned off by how far left he is... How many ppl value policy vs authenticity more.

 

So I have no idea what the general election would look like if he was the candidate

 

I myself acknowledge he's very genuine but he's definitely not my first choice if it was up to me as I don't agree with some of his ideas

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17 minutes ago, Loeppke said:

I would love that, but I'm not sure how that would end. The Republicans really don't like him because he's very far left, and I'm not sure that will translate well in the election. 

Why do you care about the opinions of people who wont vote for you? 

Also, majority of Trump supporters and Republicans support Bernie's policy so what you are saying is not accurate.

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1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said:

Why do you care about the opinions of people who wont vote for you? Republicans dont care what Democrats think, thats how they win. Also, majority of Trump supporters and Republicans support Bernie's policy so what you are saying is not accurate.

Because it's not one demographic of people that put someone in office, it's a collective group of supporters and centrists. 

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1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said:

Why do you care about the opinions of people who wont vote for you? Republicans dont care what Democrats think, thats how they win. Also, majority of Trump supporters and Republicans support Bernie's policy so what you are saying is not accurate.

If it was as simple as that it would always be the same party winning

 

There's swing voters who don't always support the same party

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Loeppke said:

Because it's not one demographic of people that put someone in office, it's a collective group of supporters and centrists. 

But the majority of Americans and Republicans support Bernie Sanders policies like Medicare for all. When Bernie went on shows like Fox News and Joe Rogan, people LOVED him!

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1 minute ago, Loeppke said:

Because it's not one demographic of people that put someone in office, it's a collective group of supporters and centrists. 

This tbh... Progressives will typically always vote Democrat and conservatives generally always Republican

 

It's usually Centrists that can be swayed either direction in enough numbers to decide the outcome of the election

 

Your not gonna convince some old nationalistic and racist conservative white dude in Tenassee to vote for Bernie anymore than a far progressive in California would vote for Trump

 

But the ppl in the middle are less predictable

 

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You know, in the past I've said that I was an avid Warren supporter, but as of recently, I am starting to feel the Bern.....I still love Warren though, and in a perfect world I'd want either a Warren/Sanders ticket or a Sanders/Warren ticket.

That said, if he gets the nomination he better win. This is something I've heard a lot of times by Bernie supporters: that if he gets the nomination, he'll stomp Trump. Well, let's make that a reality because it'd be incredibly unforunate for all that rhetoric to go to waste.

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Just now, Faysalaaa said:

But the majority of Americans and Republicans support Bernie Sanders policies like Medicare for all. When Bernie went on shows like Fox News and Joe Rogan, people LOVED him!

Yes most support that and that could be what gets him the win potentially

 

But theresany conservatives who may like specific things that may not agree with a lot of the left stances in general

 

So nothing is certain

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

Yes most support that and that could be what gets him the win potentially

 

But theresany conservatives who may like specific things that may not agree with a lot of the left stances in general

 

So nothing is certain

Bernie is falsely labeled a socialist which is why he is seen as too far left and Republicans dont like him. But Bernie does not support Democratic policies, he supports policies majority of Americans want and that is his focus. When he is allowed to speak to Republicans and have a open fair discussion, republicans always love him.

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32 minutes ago, Loeppke said:

I would love that, but I'm not sure how that would end. The Republicans really don't like him because he's very far left, and I'm not sure that will translate well in the election. 

Who cares what the Republicans think? Do you think they spend their time worrying about what Dems think and Democratic voters care about?? Nope. 

Who cares about them. Republican voters are never going to come around or want a Democrat.

Bernie excites the Dem base which is who needs to turnout for us to win in 2020.

We need to stop playing defense all the time, allowing Republicans to define the narrative. 

The whole "too far left" narrative is one created and pushed by Republicans and what Dems and "moderates" have sadly bought into and pushing it now too.